The fine doesn't phase me, it's obviously not ideal but I'm willing to accept it as a consequence of my own stupidity and arrogance. The thing I am most worried about is the criminal record, I am going to try and see if I can have it downgraded to a Conditional Discharge so it doesnt appear on my record or hinder any future employment.
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Caught with a Zone 1&2 Travel Card... I was coming from Zone 4
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A Conditional Discharge (CD) is still very much a criminal record and stays on your record until the end of the discharge period. Given your evasion history, which is on the record, it's very unlikely that a court will "downgrade" to a Conditional Discharge, they are more likely to increase your fine.
A CD is very much a way for the court to say "We believe this was a minor transgression that does not require immediate punishment, though we will punish you for it in the future if you reappear in court". You will still face the penalty of Costs, Compensation and Victim Surcharge.
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Yes, I think this is a very good result for the OP on balance.
I'm aware of this, I'm just hoping I can get a CD seeing as they have written to me and said they are prosecuting me over the evaded fare of £6.60. Who knows what will happen though! If I get a letter back I will post it on here, if not I will be sure to post the outcome of my court hearing.
I think you might have misunderstood what a conditional discharge means. If you receive one it's still classed as a conviction and show up on DBS check during the conditional period. The only way that would be any different to a fine would be if the conditional period was shorter than 12 months.
After some very aggrevated tweeting I have been asked to give my phone number so the prosecutions team can be in touch. The number provided on the court summons doesn't work.
The fact there isn't an email address you can use in 2019 is absolutely absurd.
The fact there isn't an email address you can use in 2019 is absolutely absurd.
Email is neither secure nor reliable.
I'd say it is more so than a letter (which they don't send signed for/tracked). Royal Mail are hardly the most reliable company.
Also I work with barristers and solicitors, 99% of correspondence is via email.
Alas, still waiting for a phone call.
Without S/MIME or PGP and properly configured DKIM it is trivial to spoof/fake email.
It’s little to do with security and reliability and lots to do with efficiency. The people they’re dealing with will find it very easy to just fire off emails, whereas phone calls and letters take more consideration and time.
Considering both the fine and the value of the fare you have avoided all this time; how much have you saved ?
Not enough to make this stress worth it in short! I've learnt my lesson!
If you're thinking of doing it, or are currently doing it and haven't been caught yet. Stop, they will get you. Prosecutor said on the phone that they're catching more and more people doing what I'm doing and are beginning to notice people's patterns and movements.
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Someone doing exactly this (but with an Oyster card) was caught in the first episode of this fare evasion documentary. They saw the pattern of lots of missing touches and tracked the guy down. https://www.channel5.com/show/fare-dodgers-at-war-with-the-law/
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On Monday's episode they caught a chap who had done this for 5 years and faced a bill of in excess of 3K
I was interested in this light of the fact that TFL claim that oyster data is only retained for 8 weeks which I never believed and appears to be a blatant porkie
Whttps://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/privacy-and-cookies/oyster-card
we retain data about the individual journeys made using your Oyster card for eight weeks after the card is used. After eight weeks, the journey data in the ticketing system is disassociated from your card (ie pseudonymised). This eight-week period is considered reasonable to enable customers to verify or make enquiries concerning their journeys (for example, for refund purposes
Did the fraud include the purchase of zone 1-2 travelcards? I'm sure they keep records of those for much longer.
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