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The Hebden Bridge - Keighley service ran from at least the 1940s to the early 2000s as a joint venture with many different route numbers, finally settling on 500 by the late 70s (with 501 for extensions to Todmorden briefly). By the 90s it ran Wednesdays (3 journeys) and Saturdays (4 journeys) all year round, with (3) Sunday services being added in Spring and (3) daily services in high summer. There were services just an hour or less apart towards Keighley from the 2 different operators with a much larger gap in the other direction. Metro then tendered for an hourly daily daytime service. Transdev had the advantage as they already operated the commercial 663 which just needed extending so needing 1 extra bus an hour instead of 2. When they won they integrated the service (the 500s had provided a handful of extra journeys on the 663 route). Initially Transdev continued to run the short early and late journeys as 663s before renumbering them all as 500s. Then Transdev renumbered to the current B3.

If I may add a couple of further observations about the 500 service? First, there were some years in the 1990's that it did not operate to/from Todmorden, Metro apparently not being willing to provide a subsidy. Todmorden garage's journeys went dead to Hebden Bridge from the garage, with two dead journeys passing at around 1315 as the first morning trip and first afternoon trip were on separate drivers' duties. I believe Metro came under great pressure from local councillors at the Todmorden end to restore the link, although of course it has been long lost since.

Also, the period of operation did expand even when First were running the service, although I don't think it got to year round. Certainly it ran outside of the summer school holidays, as the two afternoon journeys had about an hour gap between them at the Hebden Bridge (or Todmorden) end, and this was filled by a school journey from Calder High School in Mytholmroyd. I'm sure it was the C88 to Todmorden at one point, and this meant that the service required a double-decker. It was dubbed "Britains highest double-deck bus route" by some journalist, I seem to remember.

However, Todmorden's last Leyland Leopard (8534 in Tod JOC commemorative livery) was a regular performer during school holidays. I also suspect the school changed its hours and the interworking in the afternoon was no longer possible, at which point the three return trips from Todmorden became a single bus working and driver duty on which 8534 became the default vehicle. Sorry I can't be any more specific on dates, but overall I am talking late 1980's through to early 2000's for the above comments.
 
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It should be noted that some of the old YWD routes like Keighley to Ossett are harking back many many years, pre deregulation or at least the 1980s, so we’re well gone before Arriva came on the scene.
. . . all of which I did make clear in my original post.

A Yorkshire bus map dated 1990 (from the Caldaire period) shows the following routes operating into Halifax:
223: Leeds - Birkenshaw - Moorend - Cleckheaton - Pack Horse Inn - Scholes - Halifax (60)
224: Leeds - Birkenshaw - Moorend - Cleckheaton - Turnsteads Est - Scholes - Halifax (60)
226: Leeds - Morley - Batley - Heckmondwike - Firthcliffe Est - Cleckheaton - Scholes - Wyke - Norwood Green - Halifax (60)
279: Wakefield - Dewsbury - Mirfield - Brighouse - Brookfoot - Elland - Halifax (60)
X23: Leeds - M621 - M62 - Moorend - Whitcliffe Mount - Scholes - Halifax (peak to/from Leeds)
. . . and Elland:
225: Leeds - Birkenshaw - Gomersal - Cleckheaton - Windy Bank Est - Clifton - Brighouse - Rastrick - Elland (60)
227: Leeds - Birkenshaw - Gomersal - Cleckheaton - Clifton - Brighouse (60)
X25: Leeds - M621 - M62 - Moorend - Cleckheaton - Clifton - Brighouse - Rastrick - Elland (peak to/from Leeds)

Now what is left with Arriva Yorkshire West is:
228: Huddersfield - Bradley - Liversedge - Cleckheaton - Clifton - Brighouse (60)
255: Leeds - Birkenshaw - Gomersal - Cleckheaton - Whitcliffe Mount - Scholes - Wyke - Halifax (60)

and
226: Norwood Green - Halifax (odd journeys, South Pennine Community Transport)
257/258: Brighouse - Rastrick - Elland (60 combined, Halifax Bus Company)
259: East Bierley - Moorend - Cleckheaton - Turnsteads Est - Scholes - Windy Bank Est - Clifton - Brighouse (60, TLC)

So the combined Leeds - Cleckheaton (15, 30 Moorend/30 Gomersal) - Halifax (30) / Brighouse (30) - Elland (60) provided by 223/224/225/227 is down to a more indirect hourly service to Halifax via Gomersal only, and there are no express services in the peaks; places between Elland and Windy Bank Estate (including Brighouse) are no longer connected to Leeds; Halifax/Elland/Brighouse no longer have a connection to Mirfield/Dewsbury/Wakefield (279); Norwood Green gets an infrequent connection to Halifax only, instead of an hourly service to Halifax and Cleckheaton and though Batley and Morley to Leeds, and Halifax loses its connections to Batley and Morley. That is a real contraction of Arriva services over the last 30 years (down from 4 buses/h in Halifax, and 3 buses/h in Brighouse, to 1 bus/h in each.
 

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That is a real contraction of Arriva services over the last 30 years (down from 4 buses/h in Halifax, and 3 buses/h in Brighouse, to 1 bus/h in each.
In the same period train services have increased along with Brighouse station reopening so peoples travelling arrangements will be radically different to 30 years ago.
 

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. . . all of which I did make clear in my original post.

A Yorkshire bus map dated 1990 (from the Caldaire period) shows the following routes operating into Halifax:
223: Leeds - Birkenshaw - Moorend - Cleckheaton - Pack Horse Inn - Scholes - Halifax (60)
224: Leeds - Birkenshaw - Moorend - Cleckheaton - Turnsteads Est - Scholes - Halifax (60)
226: Leeds - Morley - Batley - Heckmondwike - Firthcliffe Est - Cleckheaton - Scholes - Wyke - Norwood Green - Halifax (60)
279: Wakefield - Dewsbury - Mirfield - Brighouse - Brookfoot - Elland - Halifax (60)
X23: Leeds - M621 - M62 - Moorend - Whitcliffe Mount - Scholes - Halifax (peak to/from Leeds)
. . . and Elland:
225: Leeds - Birkenshaw - Gomersal - Cleckheaton - Windy Bank Est - Clifton - Brighouse - Rastrick - Elland (60)
227: Leeds - Birkenshaw - Gomersal - Cleckheaton - Clifton - Brighouse (60)
X25: Leeds - M621 - M62 - Moorend - Cleckheaton - Clifton - Brighouse - Rastrick - Elland (peak to/from Leeds)

Now what is left with Arriva Yorkshire West is:
228: Huddersfield - Bradley - Liversedge - Cleckheaton - Clifton - Brighouse (60)
255: Leeds - Birkenshaw - Gomersal - Cleckheaton - Whitcliffe Mount - Scholes - Wyke - Halifax (60)

and
226: Norwood Green - Halifax (odd journeys, South Pennine Community Transport)
257/258: Brighouse - Rastrick - Elland (60 combined, Halifax Bus Company)
259: East Bierley - Moorend - Cleckheaton - Turnsteads Est - Scholes - Windy Bank Est - Clifton - Brighouse (60, TLC)

So the combined Leeds - Cleckheaton (15, 30 Moorend/30 Gomersal) - Halifax (30) / Brighouse (30) - Elland (60) provided by 223/224/225/227 is down to a more indirect hourly service to Halifax via Gomersal only, and there are no express services in the peaks; places between Elland and Windy Bank Estate (including Brighouse) are no longer connected to Leeds; Halifax/Elland/Brighouse no longer have a connection to Mirfield/Dewsbury/Wakefield (279); Norwood Green gets an infrequent connection to Halifax only, instead of an hourly service to Halifax and Cleckheaton and though Batley and Morley to Leeds, and Halifax loses its connections to Batley and Morley. That is a real contraction of Arriva services over the last 30 years (down from 4 buses/h in Halifax, and 3 buses/h in Brighouse, to 1 bus/h in each.

Thanks for that. I did think there were more YWD services but didn’t know if that was just my perception; I was thinking c1993/4 era so seems to be right.

In the same period train services have increased along with Brighouse station reopening so peoples travelling arrangements will be radically different to 30 years ago.

Yeah, that’s a fair enough point, certainly a contributory factor.
 

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Spotted a couple of 'new' 58 plate deckers out in service in York today - nice shiny patches where the Greater Manchester vinyls were, surrounded by dirt in typical First York style.....
 

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Spotted a couple of 'new' 58 plate deckers out in service in York today - nice shiny patches where the Greater Manchester vinyls were, surrounded by dirt in typical First York style.....

those would be 37385 and 37387
 

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This is a very fair and reasoned assessment of the situation in West Yorkshire.

I wouldn't go so far as to say First have retracted from Keighley, as their only "traditional" involvement was on the Todmorden-Keighley and Halifax-Keighley services*. The former originated as a joint Todmorden JOC - Keighley-West Yorkshire Hebden Bridge-Todmorden service (KWY 19?, TJOC didn't number services). When TJOC merged with Halifax JOC in 1971 the service was extended to Todmorden (presumably for operational convenience from Todmorden depot), and continued much the same - bar renumbering - though the WYPTE years. Obviously at some points following deregulation the route was again cut back to Hebden Bridge and WYPTE's successors withdrew . . . and finally it has been incorporated into the Brontebus brand/network. The latter originated as part of the hourly YWD Ossett-Dewsbury-Brighouse-Elland Bridge-Halifax-Cullingworth-Keighley 2 (which was interworked between Halifax-Cullingworth with Hebble's hourly Halifax-Cullingworth-Bingley 2). For a brief period in 1970-71 both 2's were combined as a reduced hourly Ossett-Keighley/Bingley 2/2A. After the dismemberment of Hebble in spring 1971, the Halifax-Bingley/Keighley sections were transferred to Halifax JOC as 1/2 . . . but Halifax-Bingley only lasted a few months before all journeys were timetabled as 2 Halifax-Keighley. And that - except for renumbering as 502 under WYPTE - is how things stayed until deregulation.

On deregulation Yorkshire Rider linked the 15 min Halifax-Elland-Huddersfield service through to north Halifax as 502 (Halifax-Keighley, hourly), 503 (Halifax-Thornton-Bradford [a route briefly considered by BCT in the early 1970s], hourly), and 504 (Halifax-Illingworth, hourly). Subsequently the Huddersfield-Halifax (now ZEST) and Halifax-Bradford/Keighley/Illingworth sections were split . . . Halifax-Thornton-Bradford is no more, Halifax-Keighley has been much reduced, and the Halifax-Illingworth component been absorbed back into local routes.

*Firsts only other involvement in Keighley was on the main road Aire valley route for a short period after deregulation, when they extended from Bingley to run into Keighley . . . but this was very short lived.

I'm now too depressed to even think about the contraction of the ex-YWD/West Riding/Hebble services east of Halifax . . . for the time being.

Quite comprehensive, except the 504 was half hourly to Illingworth (and went much further than other routes) and Yorkshire Rider ran the 938 Nightrider Bradford to Keighley (this direction only) on Friday and Saturday nights.
 

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Thanks for that. I did think there were more YWD services but didn’t know if that was just my perception; I was thinking c1993/4 era so seems to be right.
If you go back to 1970, the year before YWD introduced major service reductions which involved OMO conversions, the closure of Liversedge depot, the elimination of the A-J ex-tramway services, and the withdrawal of Hebble from woollen district routes the services into Halifax/Elland were:
2: Ossett - Dewsbury - Mirfield - Brighouse - Elland Bridge - Halifax - Cullingworth - Keighley (120, jt Hebble, but YWD worked)
2A: Ossett - Dewsbury - Mirfield - Brighouse - Elland Bridge - Halifax - Cullingworth - Bingley (120, jt Hebble)
3: Wakefield - Ossett - Dewsbury - Brighouse - Queensbury - Denholme (60)
23: Leeds - Birkenshaw - Chain Bar - Halifax (60, jt Hebble)
24: Leeds - Birkenshaw - Moorend - Cleckheaton - Pack Horse Inn - Halifax (20, Hebble)
29: Batley - Birstall - Gomersal - Moorend - Scholes - Halifax (peaks and lunchtime Scholes - Halifax)
36: Leeds - Morley - Birstall - Heckmondwike - Cleckheaton - Clifton - Brighouse - Brookfoot - Elland (60)
39: Cleckheaton - Whitcliffe Mount - Scholes (60, jt Hebble) 39 & 40 interwoked
40: Cleckheaton - Pack Horse Inn - Scholes - Wyke - Norwood Green - Halifax (60, jt Hebble) at Cleckheaton
41: Cleckheaton - Pack Horse Inn - Windy Bank Estate - Clifton - Brighouse - Rastrick - Elland (60)
42: Rastrick - Upper Edge - Elland (60ish)
44: Morley - Batley - Heckmondwike - Liversedge - Pack Horse Inn - Scholes - Wyke (60)
49: Morley (Low Moor Est) - Birstall - Gomersal - Cleckheaton - Whitcliffe Mount - Scholes (Foldings Est) (60)
X12: Bradford - Halifax - Ripponden - Oldham - Manchester (120 Bradford/60 Halifax, jt North Western)

the following August, the pattern was
23: Leeds - Birkenshaw - Chain Bar - Halifax (60)
24: Leeds - Birkenshaw - Moorend - Cleckheaton - Pack Horse Inn - Halifax (60) [reduced from a 20 min frequency previously]
29: Batley - Birstall - Gomersal - Moorend - Scholes (60)
35: Brighouse - Queensbury (60) [rump of 3]
36: Halifax - Paddock Lane (60, Jt Halifax JOC) [Halifax local interwoked with 40]
39: extended from Cleckheaton to Heckmonwike via Windy Bank Est, no longer interworked with 40
40: Cleckheaton - Pack Horse Inn - Scholes - Wyke - Norwood Green - Halifax (60, jt Halifax JOC)
41: Brighouse - Rastrick - Elland (60ish)
44: Morley - Batley - Heckmondwike - Liversedge - Pack Horse Inn - Scholes - Wyke (60)
49: Morley (Low Moor Est) - Birstall - Gomersal - Cleckheaton - Whitcliffe Mount - Scholes (Foldings Est) (60)
79: Wakefield - Ossett - Dewsbury - Mirfield - Brighouse - Elland Bridge - Halifax
and I think Yorkshire Traction took on the Dewsbury - Brighouse section of the 3, and linked it with the Brighouse - Elland Section of the 36, and the 42, to form a Dewsbury - Mirfield - Brighouse - Bookfoot - Elland Bridge - Elland - Upper Edge - Rastrick service . . . numbered 59 (worked from Huddersfield depot off the ex-County Huddersfield - Kirkheaton - Dewsbury service).

Apart from some renumbering, that's how things stayed until WYPTE introduced service restructuring along the corridor in 1979.
 

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As this will affect a majority of First West Yorkshire services, I'm going to post it here.

From Sunday 1st September The Headrow will be closed eastbound (towards what-was the West Yorkshire Playhouse) between Calverley Street (outside the Town Hall / Library) to Vicar Lane (where Sports Direct is). Most of First West Yorkshire's services will not serve Leeds bus station and instead terminate at either the penultimate stop that they serve, at a temporary stop on Merrion Street or at a different stop completely. Some services have been rerouted.

Out of all the services the Leeds City Bus service 5 (Halton Moor > City Centre > LGI > City Centre > Halton Moor) is unaffected. Service 1 (Holt Park > Headingley > City Centre > Beeston) has been spliced in two, the City Centre to Holt Park section remains as is but the Beeston end of the route is now being served by the new service 10. Service 97 is renumbered to service 27 and will start from the new Leeds Railway station interchange sometime during September.

https://wymetro.com/plan-a-journey/travel-news/bus-travel-alerts/theheadrow/

The West Yorkshire Combined Authority have also provided a map to help you find your bus in Leeds city centre for during the works.
https://wymetro.com/media/4917/the-headrow-poster.jpg
 

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So as to not pollute the FirstGroup restructuring thread further:

it's 8 Streetlites (47474-81) received from Oldham. They also received some B9s from Bolton (2) and Leeds (6)

Interesting that MarcBichtemann appears to have deleted previous tweets (correction - I'm been blocked, obviously hitting too close to home) about fleet replacement & refurbishment now this mix of castoffs has appeared. Seems to me that they are putting York in a holding pattern and doing the bare minimum while deciding if/when to sell off.
 

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So as to not pollute the FirstGroup restructuring thread further:



Interesting that MarcBichtemann appears to have deleted previous tweets (correction - I'm been blocked, obviously hitting too close to home) about fleet replacement & refurbishment now this mix of castoffs has appeared. Seems to me that they are putting York in a holding pattern and doing the bare minimum while deciding if/when to sell off.
I don’t know what you are getting at?

York’s fleet is getting on a bit, and has now received some mid life cascades, this is no different than most parts of First, and no different than how York has operated for years?
 

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I don’t know what you are getting at?

York’s fleet is getting on a bit, and has now received some mid life cascades, this is no different than most parts of First, and no different than how York has operated for years?

Also, with a picture of one of the aforementioned StreetLites, he did tweet last Sunday

“Cleaner and more fuel efficient buses now in service with @FirstYork - all part of our fleet modernisation strategy for #York. #WorldCarFreeDay2019”
 

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I don’t know what you are getting at?

York’s fleet is getting on a bit, and has now received some mid life cascades, this is no different than most parts of First, and no different than how York has operated for years?

He tweeted a while ago that York would be getting a modern fleet because of the LEZ... about a month before he tweeted that one of the 07 deckers was finally getting a refurb (I struggle putting 12 years old in the modern category, surely this is mid-life for a bus?) and then the 58/09 cascades mentioned above appeared. The streetlites might fit in the modern category at 5 years old I guess...
 

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He tweeted a while ago that York would be getting a modern fleet because of the LEZ... about a month before he tweeted that one of the 07 deckers was finally getting a refurb (I struggle putting 12 years old in the modern category, surely this is mid-life for a bus?) and then the 58/09 cascades mentioned above appeared. The streetlites might fit in the modern category at 5 years old I guess...
Modern used as a relative term?

Depending on what happens with the new P&R fleet etc, will we see the B7Ls ousted by the P&R B7RLEs? Get rid of the last B7TLs and the last really old fleet is the 2004/5 Eclipses.
 

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Speaking of York, the 11S replaces the 500 on which I saw a standard Streetlite in the new York City Network livery and also First York now have a Greater Manchester example in the fleet as the GM skylines have been removed around the caked in dirt on the side.

First York have also stopped printing timetables apparently which is a bit daft, surly replacing the fiddily small things with three area guides for the York City Network, Park and Ride and Universities would have been the best way to go and replicate them online as appose to scrubbing them completely..
 

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First York have also stopped printing timetables apparently which is a bit daft, surly replacing the fiddily small things with three area guides for the York City Network, Park and Ride and Universities would have been the best way to go and replicate them online as appose to scrubbing them completely..

That is why, I am wary of when people look forward to the possibility of WY Metro giving up timetables next year handing it to the operators.

They point at how dull and boring Metro's timetables are, and point at the glossy publications Transdev do.

In reality, you could have Metro dropping timetables, handing it to the operators, and First and Arriva subsequently deciding not to bother.
 

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That is why, I am wary of when people look forward to the possibility of WY Metro giving up timetables next year handing it to the operators.

They point at how dull and boring Metro's timetables are, and point at the glossy publications Transdev do.

In reality, you could have Metro dropping timetables, handing it to the operators, and First and Arriva subsequently deciding not to bother.

What I've been told by a Metro employee is that the timetables that Metro already print is being reduced and where certain operators outright refuse to print them then Metro will print them on their behalf possibly to an eighteen across layout. I did suggest that Metro should ask First West of England for the timetable template that they use and instead use that for First services in West Yorkshire. I did give Metro some hard copies of certain timetables from First West of England, one from East Yorkshire Motor Services, an example from Bath and North East Somerset and one or two others so it gives them an idea of what layout to use instead of the current ten across layout.

They are also looking at how Transdev have done them too and they also noted down that South Pennine, Connextionbuses, Stagecoach, Arriva and Rosso print their own and Metro should opt to look into introducing those operator timetables to "test the waters" so that commuters and leisure travellers can get use to using a non standard Metro issued version.I also mentioned that the timetable for the 6, 28 and 97 (as it was now 27) should be put into a single guide rather than the three seperate timetables at the moment with a combined route map, likewise with the 33 & 34 guide - stick the 35 in with the guide as well. I did work out that for Leeds alone you'd see around a third less if either corridor guides were intoduced or where possible common shared routes guides such as services along Scott Hall Road (7 Series) or even York Road (5, 19, 19A, 40 and the X26 / X27).

I have encouraged Metro to essentially Bristolise Leeds (and eventually the rest of West Yorkshire) with interchange maps at key bus stops with a shelter (e.g Universities, The Headrow, Infirmary Street, Corn Exchange and even Leeds Docks) as it would make it easier to get about and it'd be helpful to both residents, students and visitors. I honestly think that they dread me turning up to 40-50 Wellington House with the amount of ideas that I have.
 

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Noticed today a single decker (believe it was a B7 from a quick glance) in the green 'Leeds City' livery. Will all First Buses (apart from branded buses e.g. X85) be getting this in Leeds in the future?
 

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Noticed today a single decker (believe it was a B7 from a quick glance) in the green 'Leeds City' livery. Will all First Buses (apart from branded buses e.g. X85) be getting this in Leeds in the future?
Yes, some of the older streetdecks, a Gemini and some hybrid Geminis have also received the green livery. Not much though, as many mid life buses are being cascaded.
 

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Bit of a query.

When in York the other week, spotted a sizeable number of First vehicles parked up in St George’s coach park near Cliffords Tower. Assumed they’d been moved in advance of the Yorkshire Marathon that would’ve meant James Street was closed but got me thinking...

Are they undertaking any works at the depot for additional electric vehicles and, more pertinently, what is the latest on the new buses? They were allegedly due in October but understand Optare have had delays with orders for other operators. Any ideas?
 

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Bit of a query.
Are they undertaking any works at the depot for additional electric vehicles and, more pertinently, what is the latest on the new buses? They were allegedly due in October but understand Optare have had delays with orders for other operators. Any ideas?

The MD has issued an open letter dealing with punctuality and reliability problems and it says they are coming, but no date is given!
 

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Taken from the Wrightbus takeover thread and after a bit of further research into the four new Wrightbus Streetdecks (numbered 35600, 35602, 35603 and 35604). First Leeds has added another coloured stripe has been added to the LeedsCity network, this time grey for the West Leeds services 4, 4G, 16 and 16A.

I have no idea where 35601 is.
 

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When will we see the buses for Bristol freed up ? Serious lack of buses down here

Hopefully the faster the ordered Streetdecks arrive and the drivers are trained up to use them, the faster any displaced buses can be transfered elsewhere. I have no idea on how many Streetdecks have been ordered so far, but I do reckon that First Leeds are around the halfway mark what with the 7Series and the X98/X99 Leeds to Wetherby services retaining the Hybrids.
 

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Taken from the Wrightbus takeover thread and after a bit of further research into the four new Wrightbus Streetdecks (numbered 35600, 35602, 35603 and 35604). First Leeds has added another coloured stripe has been added to the LeedsCity network, this time grey for the West Leeds services 4, 4G, 16 and 16A.

I have no idea where 35601 is.


Why have they rolled them out onto the 4/16 corridor while we haven’t had fully rolled out into 49/50/50A
We get a right variety on this corridor at the moment
 

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Why have they rolled them out onto the 4/16 corridor while we haven’t had fully rolled out into 49/50/50A.
We get a right variety on this corridor at the moment.

I'm begining to wonder if the green strip of the LeedsCity livery isn't the generic livery at all but an actual corridor livery? (St James's perhaps?) Someone will confirm if this is the case.

First Leeds hasn't updated the LeedsCity part of the website to include the 49/50 and 50A yet but lets see what happens once the "West Leeds" corridor services 4/4G/16/16A are fully Streetdecked. It took First around six weeks just to include the Roundhay / Dewsbury Road corridor services 2/3/3A/12/13/13A to the site.

I'm still expecting to see the 7Series and East Leeds services 5/19/19A/40 to be LeedsCity-fied in 2020, with the latter added to the York Road corridor group. Leaving only the 33/34 (Leeds > Otley), 42 (Old Farnley > Oakwood), 56 (Moor Grange > Whinmoor), 51/52 (Moor Allerton > Morley Tingley Mills) and the X98/X99 (Leeds > Wetherby) to be added.
 

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Apart from the new electric double deckers are any other buses destined to be moved to York soon?
 

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Apart from the new electric double deckers are any other buses destined to be moved to York soon?

Hmmm....are the recently received B9s to be converted to euro V (or VI)? Therefore, the new fleet would oust P&R B7RLEs (perhaps to replace the B7Ls and perhaps the oldest B7RLEs) with the bendis being upgraded and/or heading to Bath.

In that case, there is probably limited scope for further vehicles?
 

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