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Ex LNER (and Grand Central) Mark 4 sets for TfW

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Video just been posted over on the TfW Livery thread shows 4 more coaches and a DVT heading for TfW conversion works.
 
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When the Mk 4 sets are ready and working, could they move the Mk 3s to the Rhymney services to save on the hire costs for the Mk2s doing it right now?
 

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When the Mk 4 sets are ready and working, could they move the Mk 3s to the Rhymney services to save on the hire costs for the Mk2s doing it right now?

By the time all the Mk 4 sets have entered service there shouldn't be any more need for the Mk 2s anyway.
 

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Video just been posted over on the TfW Livery thread shows 4 more coaches and a DVT heading for TfW conversion works.
Would that be a fourth set? Because on the previous page it was stated that three sets were already at Eastleigh.

When the Mk 4 sets are ready and working, could they move the Mk 3s to the Rhymney services to save on the hire costs for the Mk2s doing it right now?
By the time all the Mk 4 sets have entered service there shouldn't be any more need for the Mk 2s anyway.
Isn't removing the mark 2s dependant on getting some 769s into service which still seems along way off? Or will getting rid of the mark 2s be prioritised, as part of the cascade following 170 introduction, ahead of removing Pacers?
 

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Would that be a fourth set? Because on the previous page it was stated that three sets were already at Eastleigh.

Isn't removing the mark 2s dependant on getting some 769s into service which still seems along way off? Or will getting rid of the mark 2s be prioritised, as part of the cascade following 170 introduction, ahead of removing Pacers?

The MKIIIs won't be available until the Marches is cleared for MKIVs, which isn't likely to be until next year some time. The 769s should be in service by then, unless they hit even more delays..... The northern 769s have started daily milage accumulation runs on diesel power which suggests what ever problem they did suffer from has finally been rectified so hopefully we'll see similar movement with the TfW sets shortly.
 

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Would that be a fourth set? Because on the previous page it was stated that three sets were already at Eastleigh.
No it's the third set as it's DVT 82216 and component parts of set BN25, which as I noted above were moved to Eastleigh (Or at least as far as Reading en route), behind 66154, last Wednesday.
 
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The set with the TfW liveried DVT, which I assume, but don't know, is 82226 as the first to have gone into works, has been out for it's first test run from Eastleigh with an EWS liveried class 67 this evening. The coaches remain in VTEC livery. I think this may have been the working, to Willesden?
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K13549/2019-11-13/detailed

found this on twitter which may be of interest....

https://twitter.com/hstben1/status/1194684105616584704?s=21
 
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Are they doing anything with all the space in the DVT?
AnyNorth Wales products that could be taken to Cardiff (good PR for organic products on green transport) or government docs to/from Cardiff?
 

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And according to a tweet I saw before from Transport for Wales, they will remain in VTEC livery as well. Forgive me but I cannot seem to find where this tweet is, however.
That would seem a peculiar policy decision given that the mark 4 sets will be with the TfW franchise for the long term and the locos and DVTs are both being repainted.
 

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Are they doing anything with all the space in the DVT?
AnyNorth Wales products that could be taken to Cardiff (good PR for organic products on green transport) or government docs to/from Cardiff?

The existing DVTs provide the bike spaces, of course, and I think some kitchen stock is stored there too.

I'd hope most Government documents can be distributed electronically these days. Those important enough to be sent in paper form would probably be important enough to be accompanied by a courier, or otherwise tracked. Sticking them on a train and collecting them at the other end might not be sufficient security?

A disadvantage of conveying goods to/from Cardiff Central is that all the platforms are busy through platforms: you'd have to load / unload the goods in a fairly timely manner, and navigate your way through the crowds to the public elevators, etc.
 

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That would seem a peculiar policy decision given that the mark 4 sets will be with the TfW franchise for the long term and the locos and DVTs are both being repainted.

this is what TfW said back in August
 

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this is what TfW said back in August

The locos will be named after the charity and the DVT will have a livery (a photo of the charity) applied. I'll be surprised if the carriages have a special livery and aren't just left in VTEC colours.
 

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The locos will be named after the charity and the DVT will have a livery (a photo of the charity) applied. I'll be surprised if the carriages have a special livery and aren't just left in VTEC colours.

Has this been announced anywhere? As far as I know Air Ambulance isn’t on the list of charities, and green certainly isn’t in TfWs brand guidelines
 

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found this on twitter which may be of interest....

https://twitter.com/hstben1/status/1194684105616584704?s=21

Still a full first in the set I see

Are they doing anything with all the space in the DVT?
AnyNorth Wales products that could be taken to Cardiff (good PR for organic products on green transport) or government docs to/from Cardiff?

Hopefully they'll allow it for bikes & luggage, would be the sensible thing any rate

The locos will be named after the charity and the DVT will have a livery (a photo of the charity) applied. I'll be surprised if the carriages have a special livery and aren't just left in VTEC colours.

A nice touch, should provide an interesting selection of schemes as well.
 

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Has this been announced anywhere? As far as I know Air Ambulance isn’t on the list of charities, and green certainly isn’t in TfWs brand guidelines

Not that I know of, but it the full list of charities should be going out to public vote once they've been shortlisted. The Air Ambulance was on a shortlist with a few others but I think they've just used it as a mock to what it could look like. It was sent in the February newsletter so we've had some time to sit on it, hopefully they say something about it soon.
 

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Still a full first in the set I see.
The small Modern Railways piece (October issue, I think) said that no internal reconfiguration was planned prior to service entry, so that isn't too surprising. The article did imply that there may be changes at a later date (ie. after entering service) but that any such work had not been finalised.

And according to a tweet I saw before from Transport for Wales, they will remain in VTEC livery as well. Forgive me but I cannot seem to find where this tweet is, however.
That would seem a peculiar policy decision given that the mark 4 sets will be with the TfW franchise for the long term and the locos and DVTs are both being repainted.
IF there were to be a later refurbishment then maybe they are leaving the relivery until then? It certainly looks a bit odd with the all-white DVT but VTEC liveried coaches. The DVT looks a bit plain without a window band or even much red.

The locos will be named after the charity and the DVT will have a livery (a photo of the charity) applied. I'll be surprised if the carriages have a special livery and aren't just left in VTEC colours.
Your graphic makes the all-white DVT make rather more sense; I don't like the big arrows though (and possibly not just because they look very much like the South East Wales Metro logo to me).
 

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The small Modern Railways piece (October issue, I think) said that no internal reconfiguration was planned prior to service entry, so that isn't too surprising. The article did imply that there may be changes at a later date (ie. after entering service) but that any such work had not been finalised.

Plenty of first class provision then, perhaps a decrease in the upgrade fee to encourage people to use it?
 

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And according to a tweet I saw before from Transport for Wales, they will remain in VTEC livery as well. Forgive me but I cannot seem to find where this tweet is, however.

It does help that VTEC livery is red and white and TfW livery is, er, red and white. So maybe they consider a repaint a waste of money and will adopt that livery as "TfW IC" livery, particularly as it'll be gone from the ECML soon enough?

The red-based interior scheme can probably stay too, and the seats are comfortable enough.
 

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It’s incredibly cheap as it is, considering you get a full 3 course meal and soft drinks included.
Quite. If they're going to do anything to try and increase utilisation it might be to play around with 1st class APs at the moment I believe there is only one tier of 1st AP. For instance Cardiff to Chester is £57. There might be an argument for a slightly lower tier (down in the £40s maybe) which might trigger some more demand. Though if I were TfW I'd probably hold tight on tweaking the fares too much and see whether the existence of more trains offering 1st class might not actually stimulate demand in and of itself at the same price point.
 

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But it isn't. TfW livery is grey and red.

That definitely looks white to me:

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Class 175 in TfW livery
 

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Plenty of first class provision then, perhaps a decrease in the upgrade fee to encourage people to use it?

I don’t think that’s particularly necessary. If it’s a quality product I will quite happily pay the current upgrade, or even a slightly more expensive one, to travel first.
 

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