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Northern City Line not fit for purpose

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marko2

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The emergency lighting dado has gone from several stations showing several layers of tiles below. There's a particularly ill advised orange and umber scheme visible - the platforms must have been incredibly dark.

As with upstairs at Moorgate, they possibly need to remove the layers that have been accrete over the last 50 or 60 years of lazy refurbishments that just stuck another layer over the previous one.
 
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So we’re down to better reliability - which *shouldn’t* need TFL to deliver, gormless TFL staff hanging around everywhere, and some station enhancements

Its very dissapointing to find such a blasé comment regarding the manner or professionalism of TfL staff in this way. "Gormless" I'll remember that.

Out of interest I wonder whom you refer to, Arriva Rail London staff? MTR Crossrail staff? London Underground staff? Or all of the above.

Anyway, RE bits being sold off to enthusiasts john0844, that's happening to an extent. Signage and sundry other railwayana are being sold via the London Transport Museum shop.
 

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Was surprised how busy the line was this evening, remembering the days when the line was shut at weekend!
 

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Its very dissapointing to find such a blasé comment regarding the manner or professionalism of TfL staff in this way. "Gormless" I'll remember that.

Out of interest I wonder whom you refer to, Arriva Rail London staff? MTR Crossrail staff? London Underground staff? Or all of the above.

I was referring to London Overground. Quite a few bad experiences with their staff I’m afraid, they come across as glorified security guards rather than proper railway station staff.
 

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According to the National Rail Live Departure Boards the 1715, 1720, 1725, 1730 & 1735 departures from Moorgate have all been cancelled this evening. Apparently not enough drivers.
 

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The 17.25 was apparently a train fault - I didn't know about the 17.35 being cancelled, it was still showing as running when I was at Moorgate at about 17.20, albeit delayed by about 10 minutes (apparently from getting stuck behind the broken train). I'm about to make an angry thread on the main forum about the increasing frequency of this.
 

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Moorgate has all tiles removed
 

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Moorgate has all tiles removed
GTR have press released it:

http://www.mynewsdesk.com/uk/govia-thameslink-railway/pressreleases/gtr-spruces-up-northern-city-line-platforms-2866531

Govia Thameslink Railway has started improving the sub-surface platforms of Moorgate, Old Street, Essex Road and Highbury & Islington. This will further improve the experience of passengers who already have brand-new trains replacing the 40-year-old fleet that operates along this route.

The stations form part of the Northern City Line operated by Great Northern to and from Hertford and Welwyn Garden City and have experienced years of underinvestment.

Govia Thameslink Railway is making £400,000 of initial improvements from the National Stations Improvement Fund to the fabric of the station platforms.

By the end of May, GTR will have put in new, white tiles on Moorgate’s two platforms, 9 and 10, to create a brighter, more pleasant environment. This is being done out of hours so there is no disruption to passengers or trains. The work complements that of Network Rail, which has already cleaned the lamp holders to improve the lighting.

Redundant plastic handrails that were once used many years ago throughout the four stations to provide lighting for an emergency evacuation have been removed and, on the stairs, there are new dual-height handrails, designed to help people with accessibility needs.

GTR is also upgrading and replacing all the way-finding and station name signs, a lot of which were installed in either British Rail Network South East days or earlier franchises and were grubby.

Finally, GTR is installing for the first time in the booking halls at Moorgate and Highbury & Islington, information screens to display Great Northern services.

Paul Best, GTR’s Senior Project Manager, said: “These stations have experienced decades of underinvestment. The work we are doing here is only the start of what needs to be done but we hope that passengers will notice and appreciate the improvements.

“Passengers will already be benefiting from the brand new fleet of air-conditioned trains we’re bringing in. Now they will be able to step off those trains on to a brighter, more pleasant environment.”

GTR will be working with industry partners to identify funding for further improvements in the coming years.
 

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Great news but what's the reason for years of under investment
Noticed a cleaner wearing a dust mask I would too
 

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Given that it's a TfL station, why is it down to GTR to keep these platforms in good condition (or, for many years, not to)? I realise that that no TfL services use these platforms, but as the station operators do they not have some responsibility for the whole station? Is this a wider issue across the network - is there anywhere else that a TOC maintains areas of their stations used only be another TOC (if any such areas exist)? Is there a different set of rules in place in TfL stations?
 

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Given that it's a TfL station, why is it down to GTR to keep these platforms in good condition (or, for many years, not to)? I realise that that no TfL services use these platforms, but as the station operators do they not have some responsibility for the whole station? Is this a wider issue across the network - is there anywhere else that a TOC maintains areas of their stations used only be another TOC (if any such areas exist)? Is there a different set of rules in place in TfL stations?

Depends what the agreement was when the line was transferred to BR back in the 70s, and any subsequent agreements since.

It seems that responsibility for the platforms lies with Network Rail, even if the station as a whole is run by LU for operational purposes.

You wouldn’t decorate your neighbour’s house! ;)

As a serious point, for many years this has been very much a commuter operation - with highly peaked patronage. This is still the case today, albeit less so - daytime Welwyn to Moorgate services can be extremely lightly loaded. Clearly no one thought it was good value.
 

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If you consider the tracks are national rail it makes sense for Toc/network Rail to be responsible under their safety practices rather than TFL underground’s.
 

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If you consider the tracks are national rail it makes sense for Toc/network Rail to be responsible under their safety practices rather than TFL underground’s.

And, of course, for consistency Essex Road is nothing to do with LU.

Yesterday and today I decided to alter my journey into London in order to get a couple of 313 rides before it's too late, as once the signal relocation happens it's quite possible the 313s may die away quite quickly.

On both occasions I took the 13:09 Welwyn to Moorgate. Yesterday it was 313054, today 313123. From an off-peak perspective, I have to say the 313s can't really be faulted. 313054 was perfectly comfortable, 123 slightly less so being one of the three with original seats. 054 was smartly turned out, 123 was a little tatty, although in both cases the seat covers were well worn. Apart from that, in all honesty there was nothing at all wrong with the ambience or experience, and to be honest I was rather glad of decent opening windows, especially having stepped off a 700 which I found stuffy by comparison. Performance on both units was fine, with the train having no problem keeping time, in fact it was waiting time at many stations, and arrived into Moorgate slightly early.

All in all, I'd say the experience was marginally preferable to a 717. This view may well be reversed during the high peak where some trips get crush loaded. As an outlandish idea, one wonders if there might have been scope to retain a small fleet of 313s, extend some platforms and run a half-hourly peak Hertford to King's Cross service formed of 3x313?!
 

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True, but I might redecorate my lodger's bedroom! :D

Except that legally speaking, we're all lodgers in the Queen's bedrooms, as the British state (The Crown) ultimately owns both TfL and Network Rail. You'd think they could work together to fix leaks in their shared kitchen.
 

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Isn't Old Street set for new tiling and other works? Possibly not until the major works start next year to, finally, clear the tunnels and upgrade the signalling.
 

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Moorgate had been done

Yes, Moorgate has. Old Street or Highbury & Islington were supposed to be next I thought. No idea about the time for Essex Road.

All will get a makeover at some point, but there's a lot more work to be done. The stairs and corridors need attention, and I think everyone wants to see Wi-Fi on the platforms.
 

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The line was shut this weekend for engineering works. It seems they can't switch it back on this morning.
 
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