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Collision and derailment at Neville Hill Depot (13/11/2019)

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Some of the images posted on various Facebook/“gen” groups are covered by confidentiality agreements, and that’s why I haven’t put anything on here - unlike someone earlier...

However, telling you that all 3 bogies have been rerailled and everything should be a-go soon is “gen”, in that type of speak - I could be watching the Bruff team from a nearby bridge, for all anyone needs to know.

Aiming for the Thunderbird to propel at 5mph the Azuma on to neville Hill, not seen latest update from site
 

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I remain concerned by what appeared (from the poor image) to be crumpling on some of the vehicle ends of the 800. The front might look bad but I'm sure that most of that will be easily repairable by sticking a new nosecone on. But if some of the carriage ends have crumpled that could be more serious.

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Yeah.... the Class 43 got of lightly.....
 

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I remain concerned by what appeared (from the poor image) to be crumpling on some of the vehicle ends of the 800. The front might look bad but I'm sure that most of that will be easily repairable by sticking a new nosecone on. But if some of the carriage ends have crumpled that could be more serious.

wasn’t one totally disabled recently following a fatality?
 

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Update at 1915, the unit is ready and prepared to be propelled by thunderbird onto Neville Hill.

Update 1932 - Azuma is now on Neville Hill depot.
 
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wasn’t one totally disabled recently following a fatality?
Yes. There are some legitimate questions to be asked about how they perform in accidents, both (relatively) minor and the more serious.
 

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I remain concerned by what appeared (from the poor image) to be crumpling on some of the vehicle ends of the 800. The front might look bad but I'm sure that most of that will be easily repairable by sticking a new nosecone on. But if some of the carriage ends have crumpled that could be more serious.
You raise a good issue on whether the crash structure is strong enough. On a side note, could we be looking at the first written off 80x?
 

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You raise a good issue on whether the crash structure is strong enough. On a side note, could we be looking at the first written off 80x?

No way, Hitachi will fix it and learn whether their simulation tools are correct.
 

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You can't really tell from one dark photograph, but are trains not intended to deform to some extent in an accident to absorb some of the energy?
 

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Any other TOC and I wonder how many journalists/railway experts would be claiming this is a result of privatisation and greedy private companies putting profit before safety?
 

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Any other TOC and I wonder how many journalists/railway experts would be claiming this is a result of privatisation and greedy private companies putting profit before safety?
Give them time... using the somewhat not 100% reliable source of wikipedia... isn't EMR the owner of NL? so some half-ar$ed journo can spin a story that the private owner rushed things causing the collision!
 

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Give them time... using the somewhat not 100% reliable source of wikipedia... isn't EMR the owner of NL? so some half-ar$ed journo can spin a story that the private owner rushed things causing the collision!

EMR is the operator but owned by DfT. EMR won't operate NL beyond March 2021 according to current plans. Anyway, it's irrelevant as this was an LNER mainline driver.
 

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Any other TOC and I wonder how many journalists/railway experts would be claiming this is a result of privatisation and greedy private companies putting profit before safety?

I doubt it, it's just a prang. They happen frequently enough, especially at Neville Hill for some reason, and always have. A 37 and a 144 had a fight at Skipton in BR days, it was an interesting photo and not much else. People only noted this one because it was a HST and an Azuma; two 377s and nobody would care.
 

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As the Azuma is owned by Hitachi (Agility Trains East) it will be a test of the long-term nature of the IEP contract if it is not repairable.
Agility have to deliver the contracted diagrams to LNER.
They might have to build an extra unit as a replacement if the contract so demands.
 

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As the Azuma is owned by Hitachi (Agility Trains East) it will be a test of the long-term nature of the IEP contract if it is not repairable.
Agility have to deliver the contracted diagrams to LNER.
They might have to build an extra unit as a replacement if the contract so demands.
Wow - if (and its a big if) the contract is as you say then a few more mishaps could cost Hitachi dearly!
Isn't that 3 HST power cars damaged in just over a month - what if it was 3 80x's!!
 

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Wow - if (and its a big if) the contract is as you say then a few more mishaps could cost Hitachi dearly!
Isn't that 3 HST power cars damaged in just over a month - what if it was 3 80x's!!
they may be responsible to provide vehicles but additional costs will be recoverable against parties responsible for the failure or damage
 

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It seems to be principally the fibreglass shroud of the cab that is smashed, presumably readily replaced and available. Eurostar, for example, have several spare equivalents standing by on stands outside the maintenance base at Stratford, I guess others the same. Here they are

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5592625,-0.0196513,43a,35y,270h,39.62t/data=!3m1!1e3

Is there a chance the damage to the Azuma may look a lot worse than it is?

To my untrained eyes it looks like its mostly cosmetic damage to the fibreglass nose, the window of the cab doesn't look broken or even deformed.
 

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How long will the Azuma be out ot service for?

Will this incident lead to LNER being short of trains and cancelling services for the time being?
 
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