SWR Repaints and Refurbishments

WVL14 · 14 Nov 2019

Desiro Update:
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444s:
444018 (unit 45) was released from Eastleigh 11-11-19... that concludes the overdue 444 interior refurbishment work.
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450s:
450563 (unit 101) in 31-10-19, out 11-11-19
450553 (unit 102) in 2-11-19, out 9-11-19 (overtaking unit 101)
450562 (unit 103) in 9-11-19, out 13-11-19
450561 (unit 104) in 11-11-19, on hand
450557 (unit 105) in 13-11-19, on hand
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These former HC units are regaining their original identities on completion. Out of those done, I have only seen 450553 and that is now numbered 450053.
450543 which was refurbished during 6-19, became 450043 at Northam a few days ago.
At the current rate of progress the last unit is expected to go to Eastleigh on the 9th December.
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The next 444 for painting at Bournemouth is 444015 which went there 13-11-19.
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Hope that helps.
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RealTrains07 · 14 Nov 2019

The stripes was painted on.

and you never know things can change as has happened with SWR so far in terms of refurbishment

SWRtrain_fan · 14 Nov 2019

RealTrains07 said:
The stripes was painted on.

No, the stripes are vinyl.

SWRtrain_fan · 14 Nov 2019

WVL14 said:
Desiro Update:
.
444s:
444018 (unit 45) was released from Eastleigh 11-11-19... that concludes the overdue 444 interior refurbishment work.
.
450s:
450563 (unit 101) in 31-10-19, out 11-11-19
450553 (unit 102) in 2-11-19, out 9-11-19 (overtaking unit 101)
450562 (unit 103) in 9-11-19, out 13-11-19
450561 (unit 104) in 11-11-19, on hand
450557 (unit 105) in 13-11-19, on hand
.
These former HC units are regaining their original identities on completion. Out of those done, I have only seen 450553 and that is now numbered 450053.
450543 which was refurbished during 6-19, became 450043 at Northam a few days ago.
At the current rate of progress the last unit is expected to go to Eastleigh on the 9th December.
.
The next 444 for painting at Bournemouth is 444015 which went there 13-11-19.
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Hope that helps.
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Thanks once again. Unusual that 450053 and 563 took longer than normal though...

SWRtrain_fan · 14 Nov 2019

SWR Desiro Repaints

444s

006, 015*

450s

036*

*currently being done

Dan15812 · 14 Nov 2019

WVL14 said:
Desiro Update:
.
444s:
444018 (unit 45) was released from Eastleigh 11-11-19... that concludes the overdue 444 interior refurbishment work.
.
450s:
450563 (unit 101) in 31-10-19, out 11-11-19
450553 (unit 102) in 2-11-19, out 9-11-19 (overtaking unit 101)
450562 (unit 103) in 9-11-19, out 13-11-19
450561 (unit 104) in 11-11-19, on hand
450557 (unit 105) in 13-11-19, on hand
.
These former HC units are regaining their original identities on completion. Out of those done, I have only seen 450553 and that is now numbered 450053.
450543 which was refurbished during 6-19, became 450043 at Northam a few days ago.
At the current rate of progress the last unit is expected to go to Eastleigh on the 9th December.
.
The next 444 for painting at Bournemouth is 444015 which went there 13-11-19.
.
Hope that helps.
.

Thanks for the update as usual, it does indeed help!

Milo T.K · 14 Nov 2019

Seems too slow what swr are doing what are the refurbished trains in service

Goldfish62 · 14 Nov 2019

RealTrains07 said:
The stripes was painted on.

and you never know things can change as has happened with SWR so far in terms of refurbishment

Vinyl - you can see the joins clearly. No one in their right minds would actually paint such a complex livery.

swt_passenger · 14 Nov 2019

Milo T.K said:
Seems too slow what swr are doing what are the refurbished trains in service

45 of the 45 444 have interior mods complete.
Just over 100 of the 127 450s have interior mods complete.
Doing the exterior repaints on the Desiros was only ever planned to be done after the interior work, hence it only starting now on the 444s, in fact based on previous announcements the 450 repaints could be considered to have started early.

If you were to read back through the thread, you’d find the 444/450 production line was slowed down from May onwards, when there weren’t any 442s ready for use.

43096 · 14 Nov 2019

WVL14 said:
Desiro Update:
.
444s:
444018 (unit 45) was released from Eastleigh 11-11-19... that concludes the overdue 444 interior refurbishment work.
.
450s:
450563 (unit 101) in 31-10-19, out 11-11-19
450553 (unit 102) in 2-11-19, out 9-11-19 (overtaking unit 101)
450562 (unit 103) in 9-11-19, out 13-11-19
450561 (unit 104) in 11-11-19, on hand
450557 (unit 105) in 13-11-19, on hand
.
These former HC units are regaining their original identities on completion. Out of those done, I have only seen 450553 and that is now numbered 450053.
450543 which was refurbished during 6-19, became 450043 at Northam a few days ago.
At the current rate of progress the last unit is expected to go to Eastleigh on the 9th December.
.
The next 444 for painting at Bournemouth is 444015 which went there 13-11-19.
.
Hope that helps.
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I'm told that none of them have been renumbered on the system as yet and that set numbers 450043 and 450053 don't exist.

WVL14 · 14 Nov 2019

43096 said:
I'm told that none of them have been renumbered on the system as yet and that set numbers 450043 and 450053 don't exist.

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That's Correct. Units have had their numbers changed externally but they still show on systems as 4505xx. The whole batch are being done in one go.
Should be in the next couple of days.
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RealTrains07 · 14 Nov 2019

Goldfish62 said:
Vinyl - you can see the joins clearly. No one in their right minds would actually paint such a complex livery.

The staff at northam depot clearly said the work was all paint except the cabs which were vinyl

43096 · 14 Nov 2019

RealTrains07 said:
The staff at northam depot clearly said the work was all paint except the cabs which were vinyl

Are you sure they didn't say it the other way round? Cabs painted and rest is vinyl? You can see the joins between the vinyl sheets on the bodysides.

Nammer · 14 Nov 2019

RealTrains07 said:
The staff at northam depot clearly said the work was all paint except the cabs which were vinyl

Sounds like whoever you spoke to was talking about the old SWR livery - all paint but vinyl around the cabs

Goldfish62 · 14 Nov 2019

RealTrains07 said:
The staff at northam depot clearly said the work was all paint except the cabs which were vinyl

So they painted vertical join effects on the livery to simulate vinyl then...

The easiest way to tell whether something is painted or vinyled is not ask someone, but look at it close up. It's very easy to tell the difference!

RealTrains07 · 15 Nov 2019

Well one thing that is true is the blank livery is still vinyl

the only reason SWR got rid of the stripes was to save cost. Painting had nothing to do with it

CR165022 · 15 Nov 2019

Goldfish62 said:
So they painted vertical join effects on the livery to simulate vinyl then...

The easiest way to tell whether something is painted or vinyled is not ask someone, but look at it close up. It's very easy to tell the difference!

You can see in this video that it is vinyl

Goldfish62 · 15 Nov 2019

RealTrains07 said:
Well one thing that is true is the blank livery is still vinyl

the only reason SWR got rid of the stripes was to save cost. Painting had nothing to do with it

Oh for God's sake. It's paint. The plain livery is painted. End of. But if you want to believe otherwise be my guest.

43096 · 15 Nov 2019

RealTrains07 said:
Well one thing that is true is the blank livery is still vinyl

the only reason SWR got rid of the stripes was to save cost. Painting had nothing to do with it

Keep digging.

The 159s coming out of Brush are now painted. The 444s and 450s are being done at Bournemouth because they have a paint booth there: if it was vinyl it could be done at Northam.

43096 · 15 Nov 2019

WVL14 said:
Desiro Update:
.
444s:
444018 (unit 45) was released from Eastleigh 11-11-19... that concludes the overdue 444 interior refurbishment work.
.
450s:
450563 (unit 101) in 31-10-19, out 11-11-19
450553 (unit 102) in 2-11-19, out 9-11-19 (overtaking unit 101)
450562 (unit 103) in 9-11-19, out 13-11-19
450561 (unit 104) in 11-11-19, on hand
450557 (unit 105) in 13-11-19, on hand
.
These former HC units are regaining their original identities on completion. Out of those done, I have only seen 450553 and that is now numbered 450053.
450543 which was refurbished during 6-19, became 450043 at Northam a few days ago.
At the current rate of progress the last unit is expected to go to Eastleigh on the 9th December.
.
The next 444 for painting at Bournemouth is 444015 which went there 13-11-19.
.
Hope that helps.
.

450562 is now 450062; seen at Waterloo this morning.

Dibbo4025 · 15 Nov 2019

43096 said:
450562 is now 450062; seen at Waterloo this morning.

Similarly 450563 is 450063 a seen at Staines yesterday evening

RealTrains07 · 15 Nov 2019

43096 said:
Keep digging.

The 159s coming out of Brush are now painted. The 444s and 450s are being done at Bournemouth because they have a paint booth there: if it was vinyl it could be done at Northam.

Though the 158s home has never been northam

Goldfish62 said:
Oh for God's sake. It's paint. The plain livery is painted. End of. But if you want to believe otherwise be my guest.

Wheres the evidence. I admit I was wrong about the stripes as i must have mis heard what was said on the day. However several workers at northam and eastleigh who will be doing the work did also confirm that the it is The plain work is vinyl. If their is anything iam right about its this.

where is the proof of your claim? Dont presume just because its a plain livery its paint.

CR165022 · 15 Nov 2019

RealTrains07 said:
Though the 158s home isnt usually northam

No, they were done at Loughborough and still are being done there I believe

Dan15812 · 15 Nov 2019

Give this a break guys, RealTrains07 can believe what he wants.
At least we know SWR are using Paint from now onwards!

superalbs · 15 Nov 2019

RealTrains07 said:
where is the proof of your claim? Dont presume just because its a plain livery its paint.

Where are all the sticker gaps then? Every vinyl livery has them...

Look at them all on this 159 for example:

Goldfish62 · 16 Nov 2019

RealTrains07 said:
Though the 158s home has never been northam

Wheres the evidence. I admit I was wrong about the stripes as i must have mis heard what was said on the day. However several workers at northam and eastleigh who will be doing the work did also confirm that the it is The plain work is vinyl. If their is anything iam right about its this.

where is the proof of your claim? Dont presume just because its a plain livery its paint.

The evidence is on the side of the trains. Incidentally the Desiro repaints are being done at Bournemouth, not Northam or Eastleigh.

Dan15812 · 16 Nov 2019

Unrefurbished Class 450/5

450 545
450 546
450 547
450 548
450 549*
450 550
450 551*
450 552
450 554
450 555
450 556
450 560
450 569*

*- Currently being done

Note: On completion units will receive the original 450 numbering of /0.

15 out of 28 units complete. 54% complete.

Let me know if any units are done and I will update this post.
Feel free to copy and update this if you wish.

Dan15812 · 16 Nov 2019

Apparently 444 006 has had a fatality and needs body work repairs at the front of DMC1 end. Not expected to enter service until the end of November beginning of December.

Train Boy · 16 Nov 2019

Dan15812 said:
Apparently 444 006 has had a fatality and needs body work repairs at the front of DMC1 end. Not expected to enter service unit end of November beginning of December.

For the record, the incident occurred prior to the repainting and the ETA is correct.

RealTrains07 · 17 Nov 2019

superalbs said:
Where are all the sticker gaps then? Every vinyl livery has them...

Look at them all on this 159 for example:
View attachment 70456

Didnt see those on the desiros at northam

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