He might err towards a BSA Thunderbolt if he was feeling tetchy.They'd surely be in favour of a Strika
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The 2019 General Election - Campaign Debate and Discussion
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thenorthern
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Someone said to me tonight where I am in the Midlands in a seat that voted more than 60% to leave that the Liberal Democrats could stand a change of winning with people annoyed by Brexit.
Wishful thinking given that I am in a leave area and given that the Liberal Democrats have never really had any major presence in the West Midlands or East Midlands and also given that at the last two elections in my constituency the Liberal Democrats have lost their deposit.
Wishful thinking given that I am in a leave area and given that the Liberal Democrats have never really had any major presence in the West Midlands or East Midlands and also given that at the last two elections in my constituency the Liberal Democrats have lost their deposit.
Yes, we’re having a discussion on a forum, not a legal case. The everyday common sense meanings of words is what matters, not an HMRC definition. As per https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7948
The definition of tax avoidance as being not tax evasion is a common one that has been around a lot longer than 2016.
Likewise, what HMRC claim is an illegal scheme often turns out to be otherwise when it finally gets to an independent judge.
Shaw S Hunter
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All well and good. But if there is one thing clear in politics currently it's that Brexit has significantly undermined traditional loyalties at least in England. As such I would not be surprised if some constituencies turn out to be a 4-way battle making predicting the overall outcome very difficult. Scotland on the other hand I suspect will return more Lib Dem MPs than either Conservative or Labour ones.
Sorry for the delay! The French use a two round system for both parliament and presidential elections. A candidate only wins in the first round if they receive a majority of votes. If not then they compete against the second place candidate in an election one month later. I think thats thats clearer than AV. In England it would result in nearly every constituency being Conservative-Labour, Conservative-Lib Dem or Labour-Lib Dem in the final round. It would also give a fairer result in Scotland where unionist parties have a majority of votes but SNP have a large majority of seats. Current elections are a minimum of five weeks which could be changed to six weeks with first round in the middle.
SteveP29
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Didn't think that one out too well, did he, Uncle Nigel.
How to p**s off 300 prospective candidates, can't see that going down too well.
Tetchytyke
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Not as often, but it proves my point: the distinction between lawful and unlawful is not "simple".
Nobody is saying tax avoidance and evasion are the same, although with aggressive tax planning schemes the line is very blurred. The point was that utilising a standard tax relief in the manner it was intended is not tax avoidance.
Bantamzen
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I think Nigel is hoping (against hope) that enough voters in the marginals will swing to his party to make them more relevant than the noisy bystanders they are now. Of course it will likely make the Tory candidates as likely to take swings at them as Labour, potentially splitting the leave vote. But as we've seen previously, when it comes to General Elections, the Farage Party (in whatever guise it is taking at that time) isn't exactly versed in getting it's hooks into the House. I'd say any chance that they had of winning more than a handful of seats has all but gone, and perhaps damaged even the chance of the few that they might have got.
Meanwhile in other news, the UK GE is rapidly turning into conspiracy driven one with Hilary Clinton condemning the government's decision to not yet publish intelligence reports into possible Russian involvement (apparently they need several weeks for their "vetting" process), whilst the Labour Party's IT systems have been the subject of a possible DDOS (Distributed Denial of Service) attack. Its rapidly turning into the US elections v2.0....
All hail El Presidente Putin!!! (Resistance is futile)
DarloRich
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There is a reason the recent Faragist announcement was made in Hartlepool. It is a big target seat for them. That said I am sure Nige couldn't get on the A19 and back south quickly enough!
Bantamzen
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You wouldn't see him for dust if they don't take Hartlepool. I seem to remember he turned and ran pretty quickly when the dead cert that was South Thanet didn't go his way, and even when he got the referendum result he wanted he was on a plane to the US faster than you could say "Nigel, any words....??"
DarloRich
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Farage is a coward
Bantamzen
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Can't argue with that!
thenorthern
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Apparently Brexit Party has made Hartlepool its number one target based on the fact that it was very eurosceptic, unlikely to ever vote Conservative given the history of the party and finally it has a big nuclear power station which given Corbyn position on Nuclear Power it won't go down well there.
bussnapperwm
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Reports are that Lord Buckethead strikes again by going up against Boris Johnson. How I wished I was a Uxbridge resident!
Has anyone seen any Manifestos yet?
They're expected in the next few days as I recall? Someone crunched the numbers it takes something like three weeks from the election being announced to them being produced on average.
Thanks - I'd rather read a manifesto than listen to all the bluster you get at photo opportunities.
I suppose because it takes three weeks for manifestos to be produced explains why the general election period is so long - 5.5 weeks apparently.
edwin_m
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The Tory Manifesto is a couple of weeks away apparently. Probably another example of the Johnson tendency to do all he can to prevent people looking too closely at what he proposes.
Busaholic
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(or not)
Labour has announced 'Free Fibre Broadband' for ALL. by 2030 Nationalise part of Open Reach and create 'British Broadband'
Sauce :https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50427369
Sauce :https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50427369
Kite159
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And will probably be where you can get another company to supply you with broadband but Steptoe's State Broadband will charge excessive fees to connect to their network so effectively you are left with just the one supplier. Oh look all those other ISPs have closed up with more jobs gone.
You are number 536 in the queue, an engineer will be out within the next 6 months to look into your fault.
Might make the great firewall of China seem tame with controlling of information
telstarbox
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Sounds good, full fibre would help to close the productivity gap between the regions and London/South East which exists at the moment. It would make it more viable to run a business from Cornwall or Lincolnshire for example.
Xenophon PCDGS
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Noting the "by 2030" rider to the comment, you can be sure that Cornwall will be at the end of the availability time period, as is usually the case.
underbank
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The priority should be to get fast/fibre broadband to everyone. Whatever funds are available should be spent on that now. Far too many people/areas don't have good (if any) broadband and that's the problem, not the relatively affordable cost of it for those who can get it. I'd hate this to be yet another initiative where billions are spent on the "easy" bit, i.e. giving some people (who already enjoy good broadband and are able/willing to pay for it) free stuff and a vote buying tactic, but kicking the problem area, i.e. rural broadband, into the long grass.
I live in a village of 6,000 people, just 5 miles from a city of 60,000 people. The mobile signal is pretty poor (so even 3g depends on exactly where you are in the village) and the broadband (even though fibre) is slow and unreliable, simply because the fibre only goes from the exchange to the, few, boxes dotted around within the village. From the junction boxes, it's back to old copper wiring to homes/businesses, sometimes a mile or two away from the box, which is where the speed drops and faults occur. Getting the same crap broadband free of charge isn't helpful. What we need is for the infrastructure to be improved, but I can't see Corbyn's election bribe achieving that for our village, as it would mean every road being dug up to lay new cabling. And no, we don't even have virgin/cabled alternatives either. People need to realise that it's not just isolated farmhouses on the sides of mountains that don't get good internet - our village is within sight of the WCML and M6 so hardly remote, in fact, it really pushes the definition of even being rural.
Labour just can't help themselves offering election bribes - "free" this and that is all they can think. Most people are willing and able to pay for broadband, so it's a massive waste of public (taxpayers) money to make it free for those who don't need it to be free. Spend the sodding money on improving the infrastructure and making it available to all, with some kind of provision for the few who really can't afford it.
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There's a feeling that this could be the lowest voter turn-out in recent memory; I feel weary of the lot of them (I's rather have a referendum on the deal than a full election).
No idea how to start a poll, but one question - will you go out and vote or not?
No idea how to start a poll, but one question - will you go out and vote or not?
Poll found here :
https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...re-you-voting-for.191053/page-20#post-4288680
7 (2.1%) currently posted as not voting. Although some may not be able to vote.
telstarbox
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Actually the opposite - it will be delivered to rural areas first.
telstarbox
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That is exactly what is being offered if you read the policy.
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