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Collision and derailment at Neville Hill Depot (13/11/2019)

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Saw this appear this morning on Google https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/lif...n-the-neville-hill-depot-crash-1-10104199/amp

One of the two LNER trains involved in a low-speed collision at a depot in Leeds last night is likely to be written off.

A Class 800 Azuma - one of the 27 new trains that went into service on the East Coast Main Line this year - was involved in the derailment at Neville Hill and photos from the scene show significant damage to one of its cabs.

It struck a diesel High Speed Train - one of the 1970s locomotives that have worked the route for 40 years and are currently in the process of being retired and replaced by 65 new Azumas. Both trains were empty at the time and the drivers were not injured.

The HST also suffered damage to one of its power cars. The engine, number 43300, is named Craigentinny as a tribute to the 100th anniversary of the Edinburgh depot where it is primarily maintained.

Rail forum users speculated that the HST was unlikely to be repaired, as it is close to its planned scrap date. The carriages, which appeared undamaged, are likely to be allocated to another power car before being leased to another operator once the HSTs have been retired.


Others pointed out that it could be spring before the Azuma returns to the rails.
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Could one of the driving trailers have 'pushed' a non driving trailer which would be lighter I guess enough to cause it to come off the rails?
 
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DarloRich said:
And now we hand over to our mc for the evening Michael Buffer.....

Ladies and gentlemen! After 12 rounds of heavyweight championship boxing brought to you in association with our sponsors LNER & intercity boxing promotions Ltd we have a result!

The winner by way of split decision and STILL the undisputed east coast heavyweight champion of the wooooorrrrrrlllllldddddd: H.S.Teeeeeeeeeeee!

Well Gary that is a shock and a controversial decision here at ringside. The experts felt that after 40 years time may have caught up with the old stager but it has seen off the oriental challenger in a brusing encounter here at Neville Hill

But you have to ask how much longer this can continue. The azuma cornermen and promoter were incensed by that decsion and the protests will run an run but the bottom line is the veteran once again pulled out a performance when it matterred....
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But will the veteran retire and the oriental challenger recover from the fight?
 
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DarloRich said:
And now we hand over to our mc for the evening Michael Buffer.....

Ladies and gentlemen! After 12 rounds of heavyweight championship boxing brought to you in association with our sponsors LNER & intercity boxing promotions Ltd we have a result!

The winner by way of split decision and STILL the undisputed east coast heavyweight champion of the wooooorrrrrrlllllldddddd: H.S.Teeeeeeeeeeee!

Well Gary that is a shock and a controversial decision here at ringside. The experts felt that after 40 years time may have caught up with the old stager but it has seen off the oriental challenger in a brusing encounter here at Neville Hill

But you have to ask how much longer this can continue. The azuma cornermen and promoter were incensed by that decsion and the protests will run an run but the bottom line is the veteran once again pulled out a performance when it matterred....
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Where’s that like button?
 
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Aren't there still 4 9-car Azumas stored at Tyne yard? Therefore the 800 can be replaced with one of those?
 
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td97 said:
Aren't there still 4 9-car Azumas stored at Tyne yard? Therefore the 800 can be replaced with one of those?
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They will be scheduled to slot in at a certain time to replace mk4 and hst, nit as simple as just replacing with one.
 
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On a point of order, would the owner of the infrastruture arena not be implicated in some way if the injuries sustained were far more severe than would be expected due to the condition of the canvas? :|
 
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GrimShady said:
So it would have been 15mph combined if the 800 was indeed traveling at that speed. Pretty shocking tbh!
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You run nose first into a stationary object at 15mph, then report back here about the damage, after your hospital stay.
 
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bnm said:
You run nose first into a stationary object at 15mph, then report back here about the damage, after your hospital stay.
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There's plenty other examples of higher speed collisions with less damage.
 
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GrimShady said:
Regardless it's still a quite a mess.
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Yes, but it’s a mess of a sacrificial structure that is designed to deform and shatter in a collision. Without prior examples of higher speed IET collisions; you can’t infer that the level of visible damage sustained isn’t consistent with a 15mph collision.
 
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JN114 said:
Yes, but it’s a mess of a sacrificial structure that is designed to deform and shatter in a collision. Without prior examples of higher speed IET collisions; you can’t infer that the level of visible damage sustained isn’t consistent with a 15mph collision.
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Here’s my take, although I’m no expert. The fibreglass and timber structure of the HST nose is going to be stronger than the sacrificial shroud around the IET coupler mechanism and lights. But the containment cell within the IET front end is far safer than the HST equivalent, and so far as has been reported was unaffected.

I reckon leave it to the RAIB report, although I predict one of our armchair engineers will probably refuse to accept it...
 
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If there is an RAIB full report - It depends exactly on the circumstances but they’ll only report if there’s new safety learning for the industry.
 
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JN114 said:
If there is an RAIB full report - It depends exactly on the circumstances but they’ll only report if there’s new safety learning for the industry.
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Yes of course, it could well be that if everything worked as predicted there’ll just be a bulletin or digest.
 
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Interesting question... putting the damage aside for a moment.

Does colliding with another train under permissive working count as a SPAD? The other train effectively being equivalent to a signal at danger :?:
 
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swt_passenger said:
Yes of course, it could well be that if everything worked as predicted there’ll just be a bulletin or digest.
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They may not even choose to provide a digest at all if there are no significant safety lessons - if (hypothetically) a driver has simply misjudged braking distance, what can RAIB really add?

Although might the legally enshrined €2m damage criteria be met if one of the Azuma’s carriages is worse than is currently apparent?
 
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JN114 said:
If there is an RAIB full report - It depends exactly on the circumstances but they’ll only report if there’s new safety learning for the industry.
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I'm really struggling to see what will provide new learning here so many will probably be disappointed...
 
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Failed Unit said:
wasn’t one totally disabled recently following a fatality?
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Yes, but can't remember which one. At the moment LNER & Hitachi are involved in a disagreement on how to move that unit. As for the crash worthiness of the 800's. OK they will have an approved design, but that doesn't help the layout of internal pipework that is easily damaged when incidents occur.
 
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JN114 said:
Yes, but it’s a mess of a sacrificial structure that is designed to deform and shatter in a collision. Without prior examples of higher speed IET collisions; you can’t infer that the level of visible damage sustained isn’t consistent with a 15mph collision.
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I'm aware of that but it's the fact that the first three cars are derailed too.

It's still a big mess for 15mph regardless of the design.
 
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Providing the HST wasn't been withdrawn too soon this could have been returned to service within days by simply swapping the PC and maybe any damaged coaches, however the fixed formation of the Azuma means that however few or many coaches are damaged the whole set is out of action as they cannot run with any missing intermediate vehicles. Be a one was trip to the scrap yard for 43300 (after parts sacrifice)
 
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