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LNWR service from Liverpool to Birmingham and London.

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Lozzy0603

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I'm not sure where the next section is but the North Wembley junction was in use, so that section was live. I believe dets were set South of the Harlesden Junction, but that doesnt mean the line wasn't isolated further up I suppose.
The DF was back in service pretty soon after the broken train was cleared so I'm presuming that section was also energised. Only the UF remained blocked all day.
I also really can't understand why LNWR service deteriorated so badly *after* the failed train was moved and the DF opened. They ran a reasonable service all through lunch whilst both fasts were blocked. A cover for further driver shortages?
 
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I also really can't understand why LNWR service deteriorated so badly *after* the failed train was moved and the DF opened. They ran a reasonable service all through lunch whilst both fasts were blocked. A cover for further driver shortages?

LNR have been gobbing off about OHLE damage today when the reason for the emergency timetable is staff shortage, which is nobody's fault but their management's.

We thought Southern was bad - we didn't know what was coming. The Southern service is now the only vaguely reliable thing on the south WCML aside from VT, and that's got FirstGroup's grubby mitts on it within a month and a bit.
 

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It's high time for political intervention but that can't happen now until we have a new government. I shudder to think what joys the Christmas period will bring for LNR's long suffering passengers.
 

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It looks like there may have been a plan for VT to help out...see the attachment which shows a Tring stop cancelled.
 

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It looks like there may have been a plan for VT to help out...see the attachment which shows a Tring stop cancelled.
Great! Bring it on!
Is it practical to have a 'by request only' stop at 125mph? I'd happily flag down a Pendolino, and pay a surplus to get to/from work on time. Perhaps some sort of buzzer and light system 2 miles out from each local station would suffice. Really, anything would be better than LNR at the moment.
Perhaps slightly better: Could VT 'slip' the back two carriages of an 11 car Pendolino at Hemel and Tring, into the sidings? Very effective for the old sleepers on the Great Western. I think they might have some difficulty re-combining the EMU going southbound but I'm sure it could be worked out. 8-)
 
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Another day out ruined today due to chaos on the WCML. I travelled today seeing as they'll be on strike (LNR) the rest of the year on Saturday.

If its not weather related its the track or signals.
 

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Another day out ruined today due to chaos on the WCML. I travelled today seeing as they'll be on strike (LNR) the rest of the year on Saturday.

If its not weather related its the track or signals.

strike is from next Saturday 16th onwards. Today is signalling, VT are struggling as well. VT given more priority as well.
 
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I dont know what it is with these services.
On Trasky a week or so ago I watched an LNwR service set off towards Crewe about 5 minutes late, a few miles up the line the signaller put a class 6 freight off Speke which slowed not only the class 9 LNwR service but two other class 1 passenger services behind it.
By the time the LNwR service got to Crewe it was over an hour late and it terminated there.

Its not a usual situation I agree before somebody comes on and points that fact out. But it did happen and its that kind of thing thats happening to their services all the time so they are getting a frightful reputation.
 

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Another day out ruined today due to chaos on the WCML. I travelled today seeing as they'll be on strike (LNR) the rest of the year on Saturday.

If its not weather related its the track or signals.

So little information available on their website either to tell you what trains they are skip-stopping stations/turning short. So hard to plan what the best thing to do is during disruption.
 

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I dont know what it is with these services.
On Trasky a week or so ago I watched an LNwR service set off towards Crewe about 5 minutes late, a few miles up the line the signaller put a class 6 freight off Speke which slowed not only the class 9 LNwR service but two other class 1 passenger services behind it.
By the time the LNwR service got to Crewe it was over an hour late and it terminated there.

Its not a usual situation I agree before somebody comes on and points that fact out. But it did happen and its that kind of thing thats happening to their services all the time so they are getting a frightful reputation.


Here's another example of incomprehensible regulation that delays LNR trains.
On the 6th Nov, I caught the 09.52 LNR Northampton - Euston service.
It left RT; it's booked F/L from Hanslope and was running on time there, so the late running Virgin 06.58 Lancaster -Euston (Pendo) was stopped there, and we crossed in front of it.
Both the Lancaster and the LNR train call at MK, and this is where it got strange.
The LNR was still R/T at MK, but it was looped into platform 5 (in effect, up/dn fast platform) and held until the Lancaster had called at Platform 4 (in effect the up fast platform) and departed. Of course, the Lancaster had to accelerate from a stand at Hanslope so it was further delayed in reaching MK.
The result was that the LNR train running on time to MK was delayed by nearly 10 minutes, and the Lancaster, by being brought to a stand at Hanslope, by a further about 5.
The LNR was given precedence at Hanslope; if it been allowed to depart from MK as booked, it obviously would carry on running R/T. It would have left MK about 5 minutes in front of the Lancaster - a reasonable margin.
Alternatively, if the Lancaster had been allowed to 'run' at Hanslope, it would have delayed the LNR, but, as it was already at a stand when we passed it, I guess the delay to the LNR would have been slightand the Lanxaster woulkd not have been further delayed..
Before I'm accused of using hindsight to suggest a better course of action, I'll point out that the on time LNR given precedence over late Virgin at Hanslope, then late Virgin given precedence over on time LNR at MK. Where's the logic? And, bearing in mind both locations are (I think) in the Rugby ROC area, with one regulator possibly making both decisions...
 

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Liverpool Lime Street, today:

1205 to BHM arrived 30 late
1305 to EUS via BHM cancelled
1333 to EUS via BHM cancelled
1405 to EUS via BHM arrived 35 late
1505 to EUS via BHM cancelled
1605 to EUS via BHM cancelled
1705 to EUS via BHM 15 late
1805 to EUS via BHM cancelled
1912 to EUS via BHM cancelled
2005 to EUS via BHM cancelled

It’s beyond a joke. The sooner this crap is split back into two separate services, the better.
 

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I noticed today that the current XX04 Birmingham - Liverpool services will have an altered calling pattern between Coventry and Birmingham from December, with most calls (everywhere besides Tile Hill and International) transferred onto other LNR services. As such, this will allow the service to arrive into New Street seven minutes earlier than now, giving it ten minutes dwell rather than three.
 

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I noticed today that the current XX04 Birmingham - Liverpool services will have an altered calling pattern between Coventry and Birmingham from December, with most calls (everywhere besides Tile Hill and International) transferred onto other LNR services. As such, this will allow the service to arrive into New Street seven minutes earlier than now, giving it ten minutes dwell rather than three.

m to f only. Shuttle airport and back takes over the rest of the calling patterns.
 

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I noticed today that the current XX04 Birmingham - Liverpool services will have an altered calling pattern between Coventry and Birmingham from December, with most calls (everywhere besides Tile Hill and International) transferred onto other LNR services. As such, this will allow the service to arrive into New Street seven minutes earlier than now, giving it ten minutes dwell rather than three.
Thanks, hadn't noticed that; actually quite an improvement for Northampton (which claims to be the largest town in England) to Birmingham (which claims to be Englands 2nd city), finally reducing journey time back to under an hour for the 48 miles. The benefits of electrification.
Interesting that Tile Hill is still a calling point, but it is very well used. Tile Hill is in the suburbs of Coventry; Coventry has barriers, Tile Hill does not. Car parking at Coventry is expensive, Tile Hill is free.
 

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Liverpool Lime Street, today:

1205 to BHM arrived 30 late
1305 to EUS via BHM cancelled
1333 to EUS via BHM cancelled
1405 to EUS via BHM arrived 35 late
1505 to EUS via BHM cancelled
1605 to EUS via BHM cancelled
1705 to EUS via BHM 15 late
1805 to EUS via BHM cancelled
1912 to EUS via BHM cancelled
2005 to EUS via BHM cancelled

It’s beyond a joke. The sooner this crap is split back into two separate services, the better.

That just an unusable service, really bad.
 

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The sooner it is split back into 2 separate services the better. If LNWR want to run a Liverpool to Euston service then this should be as an extension of their Trent Valley service, not via Brum.
 

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If LNWR want to run a Liverpool to Euston service then this should be as an extension of their Trent Valley service, not via Brum.
Not possible though as DFT spec states two services linking Birmingham to Liverpool per hour in each direction, and no additional paths for LNWR north of Crewe other than those two.
 

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m to f only. Shuttle airport and back takes over the rest of the calling patterns.
More trains on the Cov corridor seems a fairly counter intuitive way of improving performance. So if the Liverpool is a few late at Int’l it goes behind the extra stopper, it’s even more late into New St than before, the Anglo-Scot Pendo is now even later than before etc etc

Good for revenue of course.
 

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More trains on the Cov corridor seems a fairly counter intuitive way of improving performance. So if the Liverpool is a few late at Int’l it goes behind the extra stopper, it’s even more late into New St than before, the Anglo-Scot Pendo is now even later than before etc etc

Good for revenue of course.
It has certainly raised a few eyebrows as a solution.....
 

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No trains to Stone today. Presumably no trains every Saturday for the rest of the year.
No alternative provision.
No advice except not to travel.

That's Christmas cancelled then if I can't go shopping!

I give up.
 

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No trains to Stone today. Presumably no trains every Saturday for the rest of the year.
No alternative provision.
No advice except not to travel.

That's Christmas cancelled then if I can't go shopping!

I give up.

Stone to Stafford on the bus ticket valid on them. Normal train from Stafford. Limited services to Birmingham. You can get on XC at either stoke or Stafford.
 

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I do think that the 2 per hour service Liverpool to Birmingham should continue but is there really no way the Euston to Crewe via Trent Valley can't be extended to Liverpool. Is there really not an additional path between Crewe and Liverpool, seriously.
 

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I do think that the 2 per hour service Liverpool to Birmingham should continue but is there really no way the Euston to Crewe via Trent Valley can't be extended to Liverpool. Is there really not an additional path between Crewe and Liverpool, seriously.
Not unless Dft budge on the original spec. The original franchise documents only allow for 2 paths per hour between Crewe and Weaver Junction therefore no additonal Liverpool or no Preston services.
 

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Stone to Stafford on the bus ticket valid on them. Normal train from Stafford. Limited services to Birmingham. You can get on XC at either stoke or Stafford.
That'll be the bus that runs just approx 6 times per day on Saturdays, with the last one at 1701 from Stafford or 1737 from Stoke?
Obviously I could pay £5 single on First and try to claim it back from LNR on top of the train fare.
Then again, LNR could negotiate acceptance on First 101 as they have elsewhere (eg operators in the West Midlands). But that would require an attitude which gave a four x for the customers.
 

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That'll be the bus that runs just approx 6 times per day on Saturdays, with the last one at 1701 from Stafford or 1737 from Stoke?
Obviously I could pay £5 single on First and try to claim it back from LNR on top of the train fare.
Then again, LNR could negotiate acceptance on First 101 as they have elsewhere (eg operators in the West Midlands). But that would require an attitude which gave a four x for the customers.

That stinks man. It’s not fair on small stations what they doing. It gets easy for you.
 

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I choose the direct (but slower service) via Birmingham as it's personal use to go to a football game. It means (in theory at least) that I don't have to think about changing trains and it is a bit cheaper. I know its only a few quid (maybe a fiver), but in %age terms it's not insignificant and that goes towards the next trip. I'm also not bothered about getting in London 20 minutes earlier.
But tickets for the faster LNWR service avoiding Birmingham are the same price, even the advances?

Even taking Virgin to Rugby/Birmingham reduces some time. If 20 minutes don’t make much difference to you then so be it, but I am as perplexed as the previous poster why not take the saving if it is there
 
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