ScotRail HST Introduction - Updates & Discussion

Alanko · 15 Nov 2019

John Bishop said:
It’s the vinyls thats attracting the dirt. You can clearly see that in the picture posted above. Don’t think the train wash can clean the vinyls that well.

What makes the vinyls such a magnet for dirt? Are they slightly sticky or have a subtle texture to them?

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kkong · 15 Nov 2019

Alanko said:
Those vinyls produce an interesting ombre effect when they get dirty.

Looks like Delhi smog.

Highland37 · 15 Nov 2019

170 1727 Inverness to Glasgow tonight.

Rockhopperr · 15 Nov 2019

kkong said:
Looks like Delhi smog.

That’s Appropriate given that an engine has to run 24/7 due to lack of shore supply.

InvHst · 15 Nov 2019

Highland37 said:
170 1727 Inverness to Glasgow tonight.

That's been a 170 for months

Highland37 · 15 Nov 2019

I know. I live in hope that one day the combined might of Abellio and Wabtec may be able to deliver what they promised...

InvHst · 16 Nov 2019

Just 3 diagrams out today.......

Highland37 · 16 Nov 2019

How many were intended?

InvHst · 16 Nov 2019

Highland37 said:
How many were intended?

Absolutely no clue what diagrams were meant to run today with the line closure between Perth and Dundee units are all around lost. The one northbound diagram that's normally a 170 on Saturdays ran as a refurb and ended in inverness at 2101 this evening. I could count at least 6 from experience 0453 ex Inverness 0600 ex Inverness and the 0845 ex Inverness all showed 3 coaches rather than 4 all day and also the 1942 Edinburgh to Inverness being short formed as well so perhaps 7 were meant to be out but only 3 came.out 2 refurbs 1 classic

433N · 17 Nov 2019

Alanko said:
Spotted last night in Queen Street. I think this was an 18:40 Aberdeen service?

Those vinyls produce an interesting ombre effect when they get dirty.

Genius ! Recreating Edinburgh's days as Auld Reekie !

CJSwan · 17 Nov 2019

1Z85, the 17:49 Dundee to Arbroath ran as an HST last night... Normally 1L85 is all stops, but last night because it was an HST Balmossie, Barry Links and Golf Street were not called at.

Deltic1961 · 17 Nov 2019

Looked like a refurb power car with "classic" carriages behind it at Inverurie yesterday afternoon.

Mag_seven · 17 Nov 2019

InOban said:
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How many are needed for this schedule, tweeted this morning.

Is this tweeted daily and if so who tweets it?

najaB · 17 Nov 2019

Deltic1961 said:
Looked like a refurb power car with "classic" carriages behind it at Inverurie yesterday afternoon.

That's the most commonly seen formation at present.

Alanko · 17 Nov 2019

Mag_seven said:
Is this tweeted daily and if so who tweets it?

Alex Hynes? :lol:

Speed43125 · 17 Nov 2019

Deltic1961 said:
Looked like a refurb power car with "classic" carriages behind it at Inverurie yesterday afternoon.

I don't think I've seen a non-refurb power car in ages. Refurb power car is a given. It's the coaching stock that's the question, and the vast majority HSTs that do run seem to be refurbs.

najaB · 17 Nov 2019

Speed43125 said:
I don't think I've seen a non-refurb power car in ages.

There are (or at least very recently) were a couple of them about. They're the exception rather than the rule though as you indicated.

mde · 18 Nov 2019

Mag_seven said:
Is this tweeted daily and if so who tweets it?

Usually the Social media team put something out in the morning

John Bishop · 18 Nov 2019

najaB said:
There are (or at least very recently) were a couple of them about. They're the exception rather than the rule though as you indicated.

You won’t see any non-refurb Power Cars in operation now.

Mag_seven · 18 Nov 2019

mde said:
Usually the Social media team put something out in the morning

Thanks - I hope to have a trip on a couple of them today.

43096 · 18 Nov 2019

najaB said:
There are (or at least very recently) were a couple of them about. They're the exception rather than the rule though as you indicated.

There aren’t any - the last pair went to Brush a few weeks ago.

najaB · 18 Nov 2019

John Bishop said:
You won’t see any non-refurb Power Cars in operation now.

43096 said:
There aren’t any - the last pair went to Brush a few weeks ago.

Thanks. I hadn't seen one in the last week or two but thought that was just down to luck.

Highland37 · 18 Nov 2019

If I am reading the twitter feed correctly, it looks like five is the highest number in service so far.

Mag_seven · 18 Nov 2019

1A61 11.39 Glasgow to Aberdeen is a classic set today - 43015+43130 are the power cars.

Mag_seven · 18 Nov 2019

1B32 13.12 Aberdeen to Edinburgh is a refurbished set today - 43169+43033 are the power cars.

Highland37 · 18 Nov 2019

Another mess. My ten year old is waiting at Perth Station for a replacement bus. Train failure apparently. 2 coaches instead of 4,1208 Glasgow to Inverness.

fishquinn · 18 Nov 2019

I've seen two refurb sets operating today, 175/030 on the 1130 Edinburgh - Aberdeen and 131/136 on a driver training run from Haymarket to Dundee.

northernbelle · 18 Nov 2019

Paul Kerr said:
I know I'm beating on something that has been discussed at length, but the fact that GWR and XC have hit the ground running with their refurb sets does drive a bus through the excuse that it's Wabtec's fault. As someone pointed out previously, the power car reliability issues are likely due to most of the power cars ScotRail receiving are the examples with the quirky/less reliable (GEC?) traction motors. There should be plenty of and traction motors available to address that issue now.

To be fair, GWR and XC's sets haven't been without issue - some of them directly due to the quality of rebuilds. There are often sets running about with doors locked out of use.

The fact that new stock with all its snags and issues is peforming better than 40+ year old stock does make me wonder if all this perseverance with old trains is actually as attractive as it first seemed.

najaB · 18 Nov 2019

northernbelle said:
The fact that new stock with all its snags and issues is peforming better than 40+ year old stock does make me wonder if all this perseverance with old trains is actually as attractive as it first seemed.

With the benefit of hindsight there were things that could have been done differently but, given the amount of electrification that appeared to be on the cards when the fleet plans were made, it was a smart decision. As it stands now there's just not enough running under the wires to justify anything other than pure diesel trains - which would likely end up being in service for 30 years or more.

The HSTs represented a comparatively cheap fleet of diesel trains that could provide service for 10-15 years, by which time the increase in track km under wires, combined with improvements in battery/hybrid train would make an all-new fleet of hybrids a realistic proposition.

Northhighland · 18 Nov 2019

northernbelle said:
To be fair, GWR and XC's sets haven't been without issue - some of them directly due to the quality of rebuilds. There are often sets running about with doors locked out of use.

The fact that new stock with all its snags and issues is peforming better than 40+ year old stock does make me wonder if all this perseverance with old trains is actually as attractive as it first seemed.

But they are cutting about. Scotrail sets are just siting their teasing passengers as they trundle past Haymarket on a packed 158 or 170....

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