Y Ddraig Coch
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Fortunately for you tinnitus is something you obviously don't suffer from, the volume is not the major factor, it is simply the frequency level of the noise that does the damage, noise that those with good hearing don't realise is even there
Fortunately for you tinnitus is something you obviously don't suffer from, the volume is not the major factor, it is simply the frequency level of the noise that does the damage, noise that those with good hearing don't realise is even there
rave music? Presumably it was the 0300, last train to Trancentral?
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Fortunately for you tinnitus is something you obviously don't suffer from, the volume is not the major factor, it is simply the frequency level of the noise that does the damage, noise that those with good hearing don't realise is even there
Firstly, the frequency level of the noise in the back cab is highly unlikely to "do damage" as the volume won't be loud enough.
Secondly, the general noise of the train will have a masking effect over the errant noise
How do you know that? Do you suffer from tinnitus? In my case tinnitus is not just a "whistling" sound that people assume, but is a whole collection of white noise plus numerous tones of different frequencies that are not just continuous but are constantly fluctuating in pitch, intensity and position from side to side. When I hear certain sounds in the environment, my tinnitus can suddenly spike to a sharp, painful intensity.
Firstly, the frequency level of the noise in the back cab is highly unlikely to "do damage" as the volume won't be loud enough.
Secondly, the general noise of the train will have a masking effect over the errant noise
Actually, yes, I do suffer from tinnitus. And sound sensitivity. I can't escape either but have to live with these
Furthermore, I know rather a lot about tinnitus - I am a trained counsellor in the subject...
Actually, yes, I do suffer from tinnitus. And sound sensitivity. I can't escape either but have to live with these
Furthermore, I know rather a lot about tinnitus - I am a trained counsellor in the subject...
Yes, I can't escape it, but there is definitely an increasing level of noise everywhere which is making things worse and suggestions that the guard should be playing their music over the 'tannoy' don't help. I hope you are able to help people with your counselling; my GP just shrugged when I asked about it several years ago.
That's because you always sit right at the front away from the cab. Sometimes I forget there are other people on the train....
My totally unscientific assessment is that that is the quietest part of the train as everyone seems to pile on at Redcar Central into the rear carriage!
Yes, I can't escape it, but there is definitely an increasing level of noise everywhere which is making things worse and suggestions that the guard should be playing their music over the 'tannoy' don't help. I hope you are able to help people with your counselling; my GP just shrugged when I asked about it several years ago.
Except that in this case the OP's question indicated they didn't know if it was something to complain about, so asking here (with zero details, so hopefully zero chance of the employee's manager seeing it) doesn't seem unreasonable to me.Incidentally, I have always thought such threads should be banned from this forum. Specifically threads that discuss the conduct of individual staff members - how would you feel if someone was posting on an Internet forum highly trafficked by senior figures within your industry about your behaviour whilst at work - even if it was in general terms such as this post. It's grossly unfair to the staff and often devolves into uninformed commentary about a situation where full details are not known.
I'm not saying railway staff should be immune to scrutiny - far from it - but if you have an issue with a staff member then you can and should submit a complaint to their employer like you would in any other industry.
Please put yourself in that guard's shoes. Imagine someone is posting about you like this on some forum somewhere and tens of people are armchair adjudicating your behaviour which you know to be fully acceptable and within the rules of your company. You'd be pretty annoyed, wouldn't you?
Incidentally, I have always thought such threads should be banned from this forum. Specifically threads that discuss the conduct of individual staff members - how would you feel if someone was posting on an Internet forum highly trafficked by senior figures within your industry about your behaviour whilst at work - even if it was in general terms such as this post. It's grossly unfair to the staff....
So many questions...
Was the Guard passing, on duty, completed revenue checks, on a break, between stations, were they the Guard or someone else passing, whats the TOCs specific instructions, back cab, front cab, middle cab, were there other Guards and this was a double up, probably more questions...
How do you know it was the guard and not someone passing?
Or maybe not ban it, just ask questions to suggest that really it wasn't someone on duty so whatever noise he was responsible for doesn't matter.
But actually it does matter, whether it was rave or Radio 3, because not every passenger wants to hear someone else's music, and what one person likes another detests. Polite behaviour includes not forcing what interests you onto the attention of everybody else.
Isn't the point of debate to offer rebuttal or try investigate further, rather than blank acceptance of non existent facts ?
There in lies the problem. Are you going to ban conversation ? Are you going to ban people who have their music playing out their phones ? Do you ban all noise and have quiet trains ?
"Non-existent facts"? That sounds like a pre-judgement of the incident that led to the OP's question.
Volume is just one part of it, hearing damage such as tinnitus doesn't come in nicely marked packages, it affects different people in different ways dependent on the damage their hearing has suffered, as for 'general noise', rather than 'masking' noise it can magnify it to an enormous degree, try imagining a dozen people all talking to you from different angles on different subjects and you may begin to understand how 'general noise' sounds to a tinnitus sufferer
Many a true word spoken in jest - but yes, technically, they would be. Believe it or not, PRS have a specific licence tariff that covers trains, starting at £2.13 per carriage per day. I assume it dates back to Virgins now defunct on-board music/radio system, but PRS do move in mysterious ways.The other issue is that the TOC is probably liable to have a PRS license if punters can hear the music.
Rave Music? Is it 1992 in the guard's cab?
If it was a Northern train are you sure it wasn't the rattling of the rolling stockIt was a northern train and didn’t break down so perhaps it was.