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Guard playing rave music in guard’s cab.
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Yes, exactly this!
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Llanigraham
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Well as another tinnitus sufferer the sound of this "music" being played behind the doors of the back cab , at whatever volume, would make no difference to me. In fact my hearing aid produces white noise continuously to combat the problem. You should remember there is no "one rule fits all" with tinnitus.
rave music? Presumably it was the 0300, last train to Trancentral?
At one point it was like 4am Eternal for me as I did a lot of early shifts at work...
Islineclear3_1
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All TOC's to issue Bose noise cancelling headphones to all in first class and cotton wool for the passengers in std.
Ah but that would increase the tinnitus and noise sensitivity of passengers ...
Islineclear3_1
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Firstly, the frequency level of the noise in the back cab is highly unlikely to "do damage" as the volume won't be loud enough.
Secondly, the general noise of the train will have a masking effect over the errant noise
How do you know that? Do you suffer from tinnitus? In my case tinnitus is not just a "whistling" sound that people assume, but is a whole collection of white noise plus numerous tones of different frequencies that are not just continuous but are constantly fluctuating in pitch, intensity and position from side to side. When I hear certain sounds in the environment, my tinnitus can suddenly spike to a sharp, painful intensity.
Islineclear3_1
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Actually, yes, I do suffer from tinnitus. And sound sensitivity. I can't escape either but have to live with these
Furthermore, I know rather a lot about tinnitus - I am a trained counsellor in the subject...
ExRes
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Volume is just one part of it, hearing damage such as tinnitus doesn't come in nicely marked packages, it affects different people in different ways dependent on the damage their hearing has suffered, as for 'general noise', rather than 'masking' noise it can magnify it to an enormous degree, try imagining a dozen people all talking to you from different angles on different subjects and you may begin to understand how 'general noise' sounds to a tinnitus sufferer
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Actually, yes, I do suffer from tinnitus. And sound sensitivity. I can't escape either but have to live with these
Furthermore, I know rather a lot about tinnitus - I am a trained counsellor in the subject...
Having just seen this after posting my response I have to say that I'm astounded, if a 'trained counsellor' can be so dismissive I'm not surprised that so many employers and the general public are so negative about the effects of tinnitus
Actually, yes, I do suffer from tinnitus. And sound sensitivity. I can't escape either but have to live with these
Furthermore, I know rather a lot about tinnitus - I am a trained counsellor in the subject...
Yes, I can't escape it, but there is definitely an increasing level of noise everywhere which is making things worse and suggestions that the guard should be playing their music over the 'tannoy' don't help. I hope you are able to help people with your counselling; my GP just shrugged when I asked about it several years ago.
I believe it was probably a joke - the guard won't be playing music over the tannoy and we have a conductor from Derby who is well known for his entertaining style of announcing (Sherman isn't a rapper though
).My totally unscientific assessment is that that is the quietest part of the train as everyone seems to pile on at Redcar Central into the rear carriage!
My totally unscientific assessment is that that is the quietest part of the train as everyone seems to pile on at Redcar Central into the rear carriage!
Glad i'm not the only one who notices that. Now that 156's and 158's are appearing it's even easier to get on first as well, the other people who would normally have an idea where the front stops are now in the wrong place because these trains need to stop further up.
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Does anybody really care?
Islineclear3_1
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Most GP's know very little about tinnitus. You should ask your GP to refer you to your local hospital for investigation/counselling. A lot more is known about it now
dcsprior
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Except that in this case the OP's question indicated they didn't know if it was something to complain about, so asking here (with zero details, so hopefully zero chance of the employee's manager seeing it) doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
3141
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Criticism of a railway worker? Let's ban it!!
But the OP just asked a question, and as it could have been anywhere between Wick and Penzance he's hardly identifying anybody, is he?
Or maybe not ban it, just ask questions to suggest that really it wasn't someone on duty so whatever noise he was responsible for doesn't matter.
But actually it does matter, whether it was rave or Radio 3, because not every passenger wants to hear someone else's music, and what one person likes another detests. Polite behaviour includes not forcing what interests you onto the attention of everybody else.
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Isn't the point of debate to offer rebuttal or try investigate further, rather than blank acceptance of non existent facts ? If the Guard was on duty and dispatching from that cab, it would be potentially quite serious. If it was just a Guard passing back to their home depot then it is insignificant in terms of safety and a non issue. Asking questions to find out more about what happened allows those in the know, to provide a more actuate answer. You know, to save all the pointless mud slinging.
There in lies the problem. Are you going to ban conversation ? Are you going to ban people who have their music playing out their phones ? Do you ban all noise and have quiet trains ?
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3141
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"Non-existent facts"? That sounds like a pre-judgement of the incident that led to the OP's question.
No, I do not advocate banning conversation or music played through headphones. I said "Polite behaviour includes not forcing what interests you onto the attention of everybody else." I'd prefer it if conversations and music or any other sound were in the background and not the foreground.
I felt the OP asked a genuine question. Which was correctly answered by 221129.
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I think it's unprofessional but then I can't complain. I work as a bus controller and often play Gameboy between buses but with headphones.
Islineclear3_1
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Feel free to start a new thread and we can discuss...
Neil Polo
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I’d just like to make clear at this point that I was not actually complaining about the music. While it did seem like something that might be against regulations, I only asked out of curiosity. I mentioned the genre of music only in passing, not as a matter of criticism. Also, yes the guard definitely was in duty. In mitigation he stopped the concert every time he left the cab to operate the doors.
I agree with several of the above posts that music is there for everyone to enjoy but as a side note, when it is played intrusively loudly by anyone in public, that’s bad manners. Something that’s just a fact of life these days is music and electronic sounds everywhere we go.
It does make me wonder what damage people are doing their hearing with earphones on so loud you can hear at least a part of what’s being played from across a carriage or pub snug.
I agree with several of the above posts that music is there for everyone to enjoy but as a side note, when it is played intrusively loudly by anyone in public, that’s bad manners. Something that’s just a fact of life these days is music and electronic sounds everywhere we go.
It does make me wonder what damage people are doing their hearing with earphones on so loud you can hear at least a part of what’s being played from across a carriage or pub snug.
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What type or rave music.
Some late 80s acid house?
Early 90s hardcore?
Some late 80s acid house?
Early 90s hardcore?
Many a true word spoken in jest - but yes, technically, they would be. Believe it or not, PRS have a specific licence tariff that covers trains, starting at £2.13 per carriage per day. I assume it dates back to Virgins now defunct on-board music/radio system, but PRS do move in mysterious ways.
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Rave Music? Is it 1992 in the guard's cab?
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If it was a Northern train are you sure it wasn't the rattling of the rolling stockIt was a northern train and didn’t break down so perhaps it was.
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I appreciate we have just had the ‘end of the Berlin wall’ celebrations which include reminiscences of events of thirty years ago. Is this thread an elaborate homage to the commuter belt anxieties of that era concerning acid house parties and ravers?
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