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Actually he’s still Transport Secretary until a new government is formed - if it’s a hung parliament that could take longer!
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craigybagel
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The North Wales MKIIIs were a 175 today. The DVT went down to Canton without the rest of the set on Saturday evening so I'm assuming it's still down there getting worked on.
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37421 was seen with some wagons on today...?
PHILIPE
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I think it was "borrowed" to work some vehicles to Chrysalis Depot at Landore. No further details
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A step in the right direction.
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It is but they need to get out of Canton, under diesel power, and start driver training! No point in having 769s delivered and just sitting in Canton sidings.
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Can you post the link again? It leads to an error page
PaulHarding150
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True but this is hopefully confirmation that the project isn’t dead as some people on here have suggested.
Last month TfW said driver training on these would start in the new year:
https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/transport-for-wales-769s.179770/page-6
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PHILIPE
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Clearing some wagons out of the way to make room to hold 170s and 769s
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Thanks for all the info, people 
krus_aragon
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There's certainly signs of life, whether the units have been painted "Norwegian Blue" or otherwise...
Yep all ok now tho but i don't know when 003 will be in service but its on the rails tho
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Two hours after scheduled departure and nothing seems to be moving.
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All been cancelled apparently
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ah thanks for the update
The TfW rolling stock situation was debated in the Senedd today, following a Plaid Cymru motion that “… regrets the Welsh Government's failure … to take appropriate action to address the issues highlighted as long ago as 2013 in relation to rolling stock …” (though the motion as passed was amended to remove the criticism).
Some fairly knowledgeable and cogent points, to be fair.
Interesting that TfW have told Hefin David AM: “We expect to have the written approval regarding the derogation before the end of November.”
Read the debate here or watch here.
Some fairly knowledgeable and cogent points, to be fair.
Interesting that TfW have told Hefin David AM: “We expect to have the written approval regarding the derogation before the end of November.”
Read the debate here or watch here.
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Thanks for informing
https://www.senedd.tv/Meeting/Clip/c77e4950-bc37-4652-8229-7b850ffb6570?inPoint=03:22:08 for the English version, clipped
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coradiafan2000
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Are 170s capable of operating coupled to 175s? If so then when they have begun service with TfW that could be a short term solution to overcrowding on the Cardiff- Manchester/ Holyhead routes. Even if they can't they'd still be a much better option for the Welsh Marches route when 175s are unavailable.
Sorry if this was the wrong place to post this. Just a thought I had.
Sorry if this was the wrong place to post this. Just a thought I had.
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No, different coupler's
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Fair enough. Would it be too costly to fit them with different couplers like Southern did with the 171s?
I still think they ought to work Welsh Marches services when 175s are unavailable. I'm tired of seeing 150s heading all the way up to Holyhead
Class 170s have worked in multiple with class 153s and class 158s elsewhere, so I'd say that they can't work with 175s (as Sprinters can't). You could in theory run 170+158 on the Manchesters but would the drivers being trained on 170s sign the route? In any case the Cardiff-Holyhead services are only planned to get 2.5 coaches of standard class capacity in this franchise as far as I can make out (mark 4 TSOE+TSO+RSO+FO on some services and 3-car Civity with first class section on others).
Aren't we all tired of 150s standing in for long-distance stock? Not just the marches but other long-distance routes too.
But why would you need the same couplers as a 175? If the reason you want 170s on the marches is because of a shortage of 175s, there wouldn't be a 175 for the 170 to couple to anyway. Just send a 170 out as cover instead of a 150; no need for it to couple to anything. The first choice (booked traction) for the long-distance services has to be a LHCS set, a 175 or a 158. If there are none of those available then the next best thing available is probably going to be a 170 so using a 170 would be preferable to a 150 standing in. Route/traction knowledge will probably dictate that this doesn't happen though.
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PHILIPE
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What will work the Maesteg to Cheltenham an Ebbw Vales then. Some of those are currently 175s so they would be freed up.
coradiafan2000
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The reason why I was asking about them being able to couple together was because it may be a way to double the amount of carriages on services that are sometimes overcrowded. Although as you say, it's probably unlikely to happen due to traction and route knowledge.
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At the moment, only Cardiff crews will be signing 170s so they won't be able to work North of Crewe/West of Chester in place of 175s.
I would have thought there's no hope of them ever being compatible with 175s. Even if the 175s weren't leaving in a few years time the job would probably be more complicated and expensive then it's worth - it's not just the couplers that need changing, but the way the power/brake controllers are set up is completely different. I also suspect the TMS computer system on the 175 would go crazy if asked to talk to the 170. Not going to happen.
I would have thought there's no hope of them ever being compatible with 175s. Even if the 175s weren't leaving in a few years time the job would probably be more complicated and expensive then it's worth - it's not just the couplers that need changing, but the way the power/brake controllers are set up is completely different. I also suspect the TMS computer system on the 175 would go crazy if asked to talk to the 170. Not going to happen.
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170s don't have a modern computerised TMS like 175s (and that TMS is only programmed to recognise 175s and 180s) and 170s also have the extra power and brake steps required to work in multiple with 2nd generation BR DMUs (like @craigybagel says) so even with Scharfenbergs instead of BSIs they wouldn't be able to work with 175s
coradiafan2000
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Are the 170s still planned to operate Heart of Wales services eventually? If so then at least that'll free up more 150s/ 153s for the Valley/ City lines.
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In 2022 supposedly, but there are doubts about them getting cleared for HoW. Even if they did, it would be 2022 so all or most of the Sprinter stock would be gone or be going at that point, although the new stock would also be in the process of introduced
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