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Hi guys!

Hoping someone from Willesden depot can help answer my question.

I'm a qualified driver looking to transfer over to Willesden depot.

If I was to start at Willesden depot which roster link would I most likely be placed in?

Any information would be much appreciated.
 
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Val3ntine

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Hi guys!

Hoping someone from Willesden depot can help answer my question.
I'm a qualified driver looking to transfer over to Willesden depot.
If I was to start at Willesden depot which roster link would I most likely be placed in?

Any information would be much appreciated.


I’m making this very same move with a confirmed start date in January. I’m keen to second view any helpful responses :)
 

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Afternoon Ladies Gents

As above I am in the same boat!!

I also want to know what routes are driven from this depot and the rest day patterns available. Im sure there were 2 for London Overground.
 

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I’m making this very same move with a confirmed start date in January. I’m keen to second view any helpful responses :)


But of a silly q but any reason for the change? I've heard overground is intensive stop star DOO work
 

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Afternoon Ladies Gents

As above I am in the same boat!!

I also want to know what routes are driven from this depot and the rest day patterns available. Im sure there were 2 for London Overground
Stratford to Richmond and Clapham. Gospel oak to Barking. Long weekend every month .
 

Val3ntine

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But of a silly q but any reason for the change? I've heard overground is intensive stop star DOO work

- More money
- Shorter diagrams
- Shorter working week
- Oyster card + 1 Nominee
- Easier/Simplified work (less chance of incident)
- Seems like a good company/looks after staff
- lots of politics/unfairness where I currently am that I would like to get away from
- More holiday and time off.

Yes intensive work, DOO, lots of stops etc, but all that considered in my opinion the above positive outweighed these negatives
 

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If you think LO will decrease your chance of an incident think again. With the intensity of the work it will probably increase.
Certainly not one place I'd think of going regardless of money
 

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If you think LO will decrease your chance of an incident think again. With the intensity of the work it will probably increase.
Certainly not one place I'd think of going regardless of money

All 5 car trains, stop at the same places, stop at all stations, 1 diverging route where you can be routed either way depending on destination. Etc etc

Where I currently am each different trip you can be driving different car formations, you have to consider where you should stop your train at the same stations you have may have just called at stopping somewhere different.

Multiple places you can be wrong routed with many many many diverging junctions in consecutive of each other where you could have taken one the previous trip but the next trip you are not to take it, or one trip you don’t accept the first one, but you accept the second, or accept the second but not the third etc etc and so on and vice versa.

Stop at certain stations one trip, miss them the other, you need a certain route indication to stop at certain stations, by the time you realise you needed a feather to call at your next stop it’s too late, but your previous working you didn’t need it.

I agree, overground certainly isn’t for everybody but I definitely disagree it’s made out to be as horrible and intense as it’s made out to be. I mean if the above isn’t intense then God help us to know what is lol.
If you can handle stopping a lot then really it should be a breeze with it’s mostly short-ish turns, of course if you hate stoppers then definetly it should be given a wide wide berth. Different drivers like and can handle different things.
 
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Val3ntine

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I think I can guess which TOC you’re currently at, and I share a lot of your concerns about how things are in respect to varying formations, different station stops, stopping patterns weekends etc.

Chances of an incident are not slim that’s for sure. I think you come up with some good reasons to consider LO, good luck with the move.

I reckon you’ve guessed correct :)
Thanks for the well wish mate
 

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I reckon you’ve guessed correct :)
Thanks for the well wish mate


My apologise to have hi hacked this thread by asking you that question. I can guess which toc you are referring too but I can understand as imo that has to be one of the hardest toc to be a driver for (lots of traction, the route knowledge, different formation, accepting different routes etc) and everything you wrote made sense. Best luck with your new role.
 

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All 5 car trains, stop at the same places, stop at all stations, 1 diverging route where you can be routed either way depending on destination. Etc etc
Where I am the Main termination has over 20 platforms each with restriction on what stock can go in, what formation can go in and what can go in where depending on returning destinations. After each trip I return I have to consider all these things this can be over 5/6 times a day!

Each different trip you can be driving 4,5,8,10 or 12 car formations, again 5/6 times a day you have to consider where you should stop your train at the same stations you have may have just called at stopping somewhere different.

Multiple places you can be wrong routed with many many many diverging junctions in consecutive of each other where you could have taken one the previous trip but the next trip you are not to take it, or one trip you don’t accept the first one, but you accept the second, or accept the second but not the third etc etc and so on and vice versa.

Stop at certain stations one trip, miss them the other, you need a certain route indication to stop at certain stations, by the time you realise you needed a feather to call at your next stop it’s too late, but your previous working you didn’t need it.

I agree, overground certainly isn’t for everybody but I definitely disagree it’s made out to be as horrible and intense as it’s made out to be. I mean if the above isn’t intense then God help us to know what is lol.
If you can handle stopping a lot then really it should be a breeze with it’s mostly short-ish turns, of course if you hate stoppers then definetly it should be given a wide wide berth. Different drivers like and can handle different things.

spot on
 

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Not related too much to the original post but more curiosity really.

I see a lot of people talking of the London work as being intense with a lot of stopping and DOO work.

I never really hear drivers in the north working for somewhere like Northern out of the major hubs such as Leeds or Manchester talk about the route being intense, is London just a different ball game? I’d imagine the stopper services at Northern would be intense.

is express work considered more relaxed generally?
 
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All 5 car trains, stop at the same places, stop at all stations, 1 diverging route where you can be routed either way depending on destination. Etc etc
Where I am the Main termination has over 20 platforms each with restriction on what stock can go in, what formation can go in and what can go in where depending on returning destinations. After each trip I return I have to consider all these things this can be over 5/6 times a day!

Each different trip you can be driving 4,5,8,10 or 12 car formations, again 5/6 times a day you have to consider where you should stop your train at the same stations you have may have just called at stopping somewhere different.

Multiple places you can be wrong routed with many many many diverging junctions in consecutive of each other where you could have taken one the previous trip but the next trip you are not to take it, or one trip you don’t accept the first one, but you accept the second, or accept the second but not the third etc etc and so on and vice versa.

Stop at certain stations one trip, miss them the other, you need a certain route indication to stop at certain stations, by the time you realise you needed a feather to call at your next stop it’s too late, but your previous working you didn’t need it.

I agree, overground certainly isn’t for everybody but I definitely disagree it’s made out to be as horrible and intense as it’s made out to be. I mean if the above isn’t intense then God help us to know what is lol.
If you can handle stopping a lot then really it should be a breeze with it’s mostly short-ish turns, of course if you hate stoppers then definetly it should be given a wide wide berth. Different drivers like and can handle different things.

I couldn't agree more with you on the points you raised.

See you at Willesden in January ;)
 
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If you think LO will decrease your chance of an incident think again. With the intensity of the work it will probably increase.
Certainly not one place I'd think of going regardless of money

I've been at NXG since 2010, which is more intense work than Willesden by far. I have a 100% clean SOL record. The only thing that will increase the chance of an incident is attitude towards your role, your routes and to your company. As long as you have robust PPS and understand that you're more likely to encounter restrictive aspects at certain areas, you'll be fine. It's not like it's constant yellow/red/yellow/red.

The "intensity", is more in regards to the core route tunnel section, where 16tph all converge. Defensive driving and understanding where the train ahead of you is, considering there's shorter signalling sections, will keep you grand!

Due to the "intensity" of tight planning and diagramming, if you're late you'll end up detraining and going ECS in to a siding or depot and wait next working, or be made to run fast. That makes things easier for us drivers.
 

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Anyone know if shift swaps are permitted ? Ie permanent lates.

Thanks
I was told they are as long as the person you're swapping with is on the same rest day pattern as you. Happy to be corrected.

Also, anyone know anything about LO's pension? At my current TOC retirement age is 62.
 

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Hi Ladies/Gents. Some decent info. I shall also be joining you feb March.

it very much sounds like were coming from the same place!

if u like compasses

North SOUTH east west..

Willesden does seem to have more variety.
 

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I've been at NXG since 2010, which is more intense work than Willesden by far. I have a 100% clean SOL record. The only thing that will increase the chance of an incident is attitude towards your role, your routes and to your company. As long as you have robust PPS and understand that you're more likely to encounter restrictive aspects at certain areas, you'll be fine. It's not like it's constant yellow/red/yellow/red.

The "intensity", is more in regards to the core route tunnel section, where 16tph all converge. Defensive driving and understanding where the train ahead of you is, considering there's shorter signalling sections, will keep you grand!

Due to the "intensity" of tight planning and diagramming, if you're late you'll end up detraining and going ECS in to a siding or depot and wait next working, or be made to run fast. That makes things easier for us drivers.



I dont know if you any experience driving for any other TOC before 2010 but this is a pretty structured strong rigid response. There are so many different factors involved in all incidents. Its certainly not always an attitude thing.

However you have done fantastic to stay clean. Long may it continue
 

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All 5 car trains, stop at the same places, stop at all stations, 1 diverging route where you can be routed either way depending on destination. Etc etc

Where I currently am each different trip you can be driving different car formations, you have to consider where you should stop your train at the same stations you have may have just called at stopping somewhere different.

Multiple places you can be wrong routed with many many many diverging junctions in consecutive of each other where you could have taken one the previous trip but the next trip you are not to take it, or one trip you don’t accept the first one, but you accept the second, or accept the second but not the third etc etc and so on and vice versa.

Stop at certain stations one trip, miss them the other, you need a certain route indication to stop at certain stations, by the time you realise you needed a feather to call at your next stop it’s too late, but your previous working you didn’t need it.

I agree, overground certainly isn’t for everybody but I definitely disagree it’s made out to be as horrible and intense as it’s made out to be. I mean if the above isn’t intense then God help us to know what is lol.
If you can handle stopping a lot then really it should be a breeze with it’s mostly short-ish turns, of course if you hate stoppers then definetly it should be given a wide wide berth. Different drivers like and can handle different things.

Add to this :- much lower operating speeds and the fact that most of the routes can be driven by sight, eg see a station and slow down, much less risk of fail to stops.
 
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