Class 43 LNER Farewell Railtour Dec 2019

greatvoyager · 21 Nov 2019

43096 said:
No. It is using LNER power cars.

Thanks for confirming.

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hexagon789 · 21 Nov 2019

NewSt said:
Cheaper to paint considering it's just for the 3 days, I would assume.

Just seemed a bit strange that going to the trouble of painting more than just power cars, they'd decide to paint only 7 trailers.

Also means a loss of capacity for the tours.

NewSt · 21 Nov 2019

hexagon789 said:
Just seemed a bit strange that going to the trouble of painting more than just power cars, they'd decide to paint only 7 trailers.

Also means a loss of capacity for the tours.

True, they'd be able to fill it if it was 2+9 easily!

hexagon789 · 21 Nov 2019

NewSt said:
True, they'd be able to fill it if it was 2+9 easily!

Definitely easy to do if the pricing is right. Or if they wanted to be historically accurate then a 2+8 "Class 254" would do.

AnthonyRail · 21 Nov 2019

Hopefully the arrival into KX isn't toon late so I can see it.

coradiafan2000 · 21 Nov 2019

I'm sure posting this is equivalent to treason, but do we really need another HST painted in the original livery?? I get that it's iconic, but HSTs have had lots of liveries over the years which, dare I say, are more interesting. I'd honestly prefer seeing it in the intercity swallow livery, or perhaps the GNER livery, the only post privatisation livery that (I think) everyone seems to like.

Bear in mind this is coming from someone born in 2000 with no attachment whatsoever to the days of British Rail.

greatvoyager · 21 Nov 2019

coradiafan2000 said:
I'm sure posting this is equivalent to treason, but do we really need another HST painted in the original livery?? I get that it's iconic, but HSTs have had lots of liveries over the years which, dare I say, are more interesting. I'd honestly prefer seeing it in the intercity swallow livery, or perhaps the GNER livery, the only post privatisation livery that (I think) everyone seems to like.

Bear in mind this is coming from someone born in 2000 with no attachment whatsoever to the days of British Rail.

That was why I suggested 43002 being used, as it's already in that livery.
To be fair, the British Rail Blue Inter-City 125 livery is iconic, because the HST has played such a big part in the success of the railway. Bear in mind we only have one power car in that livery at the moment, and not a full set.

hexagon789 · 21 Nov 2019

coradiafan2000 said:
I'm sure posting this is equivalent to treason, but do we really need another HST painted in the original livery?? I get that it's iconic, but HSTs have had lots of liveries over the years which, dare I say, are more interesting. I'd honestly prefer seeing it in the intercity swallow livery, or perhaps the GNER livery, the only post privatisation livery that (I think) everyone seems to like.

Bear in mind this is coming from someone born in 2000 with no attachment whatsoever to the days of British Rail.

I think it's purely that it's the most iconic, the original and arguably the best remembered.

Also, privitisation-era liveries could be tricky depending who owns each of the brandings

coradiafan2000 · 21 Nov 2019

hexagon789 said:
I think it's purely that it's the most iconic, the original and arguably the best remembered.

Also, privitisation-era liveries could be tricky depending who owns each of the brandings

I'd actually argue intercity swallow is more iconic. It was the livery they carried the longest, and the one that was worn when the speed record was achieved (I think anyway, I wasn't around back then so correct me if I'm wrong).

Darandio · 21 Nov 2019

coradiafan2000 said:
I'd actually argue intercity swallow is more iconic. It was the livery they carried the longest, and the one that was worn when the speed record was achieved (I think anyway, I wasn't around back then so correct me if I'm wrong).

The speed record run featured a mixture of Intercity Swallow and BR Blue/Grey.

Bertie the bus · 21 Nov 2019

coradiafan2000 said:
I'd actually argue intercity swallow is more iconic. It was the livery they carried the longest, and the one that was worn when the speed record was achieved (I think anyway, I wasn't around back then so correct me if I'm wrong).

You can argue what you like, and you may well be right, but for a farewell tour it is fitting to paint trains in original livery.

hexagon789 · 21 Nov 2019

coradiafan2000 said:
I'd actually argue intercity swallow is more iconic. It was the livery they carried the longest, and the one that was worn when the speed record was achieved (I think anyway, I wasn't around back then so correct me if I'm wrong).

It might've been the predecessor "Executive" version of InterCity Sector livery, "Swallow" was only introduced from May 1987, the 148mph record is from November 1987 iirc

hexagon789 · 21 Nov 2019

Darandio said:
The speed record run featured a mixture of Intercity Swallow and BR Blue/Grey.

No "Executive", based on the date I'd have thought at least some would've been in Exec still, Swallow being only 6 months in by then

coradiafan2000 · 21 Nov 2019

Bertie the bus said:
You can argue what you like, and you may well be right, but for a farewell tour it is fitting to paint trains in original livery.

I guess. Either way, it's good to see LNER putting in the effort, unlike GWR who left their sets as they were, apart from the two powercars that had already been repainted.

greatvoyager · 21 Nov 2019

coradiafan2000 said:
I'd actually argue intercity swallow is more iconic. It was the livery they carried the longest, and the one that was worn when the speed record was achieved (I think anyway, I wasn't around back then so correct me if I'm wrong).

I think that it's down to personal taste, but either way, the one that was originally applied brings the true nostalgia of the train.

greatvoyager · 21 Nov 2019

coradiafan2000 said:
I guess. Either way, it's good to see LNER putting in the effort, unlike GWR who left their sets as they were, apart from the two powercars that had already been repainted.

Also, GWR named 43002 after Sir Kenneth Grange, who redesigned the front end to give it the familiar look.

Darandio · 21 Nov 2019

hexagon789 said:
No "Executive", based on the date I'd have thought at least some would've been in Exec still, Swallow being only 6 months in by then

https://flic.kr/p/NgNnqU

I believe 43159 at the rear was indeed in Executive.

greatvoyager · 21 Nov 2019

Does the formation (2+7) have anything to do with availability of coaches still on lease?

trainmania100 · 21 Nov 2019

Wonder if someone in the planning team could put 91119 next to the intercity 43 one at kings cross now that would be a sight

coradiafan2000 · 21 Nov 2019

trainmania100 said:
Wonder if someone in the planning team could put 91119 next to the intercity 43 one at kings cross now that would be a sight

If LNER could get the Flying Scotsman to show up at the Azuma launch, then I see no reason why they couldn't do that.

43096 · 21 Nov 2019

Darandio said:
https://flic.kr/p/NgNnqU

I believe 43159 at the rear was indeed in Executive.

43102 was in Swallow, 43159 in Executive.

43096 · 21 Nov 2019

Just to give credit where it is due - 125 Group have provided the livery/painting diagrams to enable the repaints.

https://twitter.com/heritagepaintin/status/1197598063252197387

Peter Mugridge · 21 Nov 2019

greatvoyager said:
Does the formation (2+7) have anything to do with availability of coaches still on lease?

I wonder... presumably it's not going to be going just on the direct main lines all the time, so might they be putting it somewhere along the route that wouldn't be able to fit in the full rake? We will no doubt find out the reason soon enough anyway.

hexagon789 · 21 Nov 2019

Darandio said:
https://flic.kr/p/NgNnqU

I believe 43159 at the rear was indeed in Executive.

Thank you, interesting that's a 2+4 rake, I'd always thought the record breaking set was a 2+5.

coradiafan2000 · 21 Nov 2019

Slightly off topic, but could a higher speed be achieved with MTU or VP185 engined powercars? If so then GWRs Castle sets are running at about half their potential speed!

I know it's almost certain not to happen, but it's fun to speculate.

hexagon789 · 21 Nov 2019

coradiafan2000 said:
Slightly off topic, but could a higher speed be achieved with MTU or VP185 engined powercars? If so then GWRs Castle sets are running at about half their potential speed!

I know it's almost certain not to happen, but it's fun to speculate.

Same power rating of 2,250hp nominally. Both are capable of producing more power, but are both derated.

The limitation is the traction equipment - the traction motors etc.

The highest installed power used would be the 2,400hp of the Mirlees MB40 engines fitted to four WR power cars. They were said to give noticeably improved performance.

coradiafan2000 · 21 Nov 2019

hexagon789 said:
Same power rating of 2,250hp nominally. Both are capable of producing more power, but are both derated.

The limitation is the traction equipment - the traction motors etc.

The highest installed power used would be the 2,400hp of the Mirlees MB40 engines fitted to four WR power cars. They were said to give noticeably improved performance.

Would it be enough to break 150mph? Heck of a send off if so! Although again, won't happen.

hexagon789 · 21 Nov 2019

coradiafan2000 said:
Would it be enough to break 150mph? Heck of a send off if so! Although again, won't happen.

The record is 148.5, with a few additional modifications 150 should be doable.

Uprating the traction equipment would make a difference

BRX · 22 Nov 2019

coradiafan2000 said:
I'm sure posting this is equivalent to treason, but do we really need another HST painted in the original livery?? I get that it's iconic, but HSTs have had lots of liveries over the years which, dare I say, are more interesting. I'd honestly prefer seeing it in the intercity swallow livery, or perhaps the GNER livery, the only post privatisation livery that (I think) everyone seems to like.

Bear in mind this is coming from someone born in 2000 with no attachment whatsoever to the days of British Rail.

Given the age of the trains, I think it's fair enough to cater for those of us who have some attachment to the days of BR. It was after all BR who built them. I'd be happy with either blue/grey or swallow - but a post privatisation livery - forget it! There'd be a riot if that happened and rightly so!

coradiafan2000 · 22 Nov 2019

Al

BRX said:
Given the age of the trains, I think it's fair enough to cater for those of us who have some attachment to the days of BR. It was after all BR who built them. I'd be happy with either blue/grey or swallow - but a post privatisation livery - forget it! There'd be a riot if that happened and rightly so!

Alright I get the point! I knew I'd get shot down the moment I said it...

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