DynamicSpirit
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If that bothers you... does it equally bother you that a certain Mr. Johnson couldn't decide which side of the first referendum he was going to campaign for, right up until the start of campaigning?
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The 2019 General Election - Campaign Debate and Discussion
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If that bothers you... does it equally bother you that a certain Mr. Johnson couldn't decide which side of the first referendum he was going to campaign for, right up until the start of campaigning?
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Puffing Devil
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It bothers me as it reflects badly on him as a leader. BJ is playing all out leave, Lib Dems are all out out, JC is all on the fence. I can see him sitting on the fence to try to placate both sides in his potential voter pool, unfortunately, I don't think it's convincing either side; I think most people believe he's a closet leaver.
I would have preferred a response along the lines of "Our manifesto commitment will be to renegotiate a better deal for the people of Britain and put that before the people, they can then choose the leave or remain. If I were to campaign for either side I would be criticised of bias. I want to get the best possible leave deal on the table and let the people decide if they wish to accept it."
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I was not aware that Jesus C. had returned....is it the Second Coming..
To some of his more hardcore supporters in the cult he is probably treated like its the second coming.
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It seems labours sums are based on the expectation that some companies will roll over to pay the higher rate of tax and some of the high net worth "mega-rich" will roll over and pay up, rather than relocating to a more favourable country (like what happened in France when they tried to introduce a super-tax).
I also note they are getting rid of the married personal allowance where the husband/wife can share some of their personal allowance with their other half if they are part timers or don't work (as I know a couple families where the wife stays home to look after the young kids as childcare costs will make going back to work being pointless)
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Puffing Devil
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We could, and should, do a lot more in recovering tax from corporations that trade in the UK yet use accounting techniques to place profits elsewhere.
If some of the mega-rich choose to leave then so be it - their contributions will be minimal compared to those in the £100-200K income band.
If some of the mega-rich choose to leave then so be it - their contributions will be minimal compared to those in the £100-200K income band.
underbank
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For which there is an ongoing Global initiative with many major economies/countries working together to try to find ways to improve transparency in Global firms towards getting them to pay taxes in the countries they trade from in a fairer way. There's growing demand from many countries for fairer taxes to be paid, but you need global agreement to make changes to laws. Tax haven countries (such as Isle of Man, Gibraltar, BVI, Panama) rely on the tax avoidance industry so aren't particularly keen on co-operating and thus losing a great chunk of their revenue/economy!
HMRC are also working hard to tackle the most blatant abuses. There has been recent court cases, such as against Google who tried to argue that their UK staff weren't actually "selling" anything but were just support staff, whereas HMRC produced plenty of evidence that UK staff were indeed heavily involved in direct selling to UK customers. Trouble is that the big global firms have larger numbers of expert in house staff and larger resources than HMRC, so it's not a level playing field and HMRC can't tackle everyone at once and these court cases take years from start to finish, so it's very long term.
Such a shame that previous heads of HMRC did "sweetheart" deals with the likes of Vodafone whilst under Blair/Brown's watch.
At the end of the day, the "global" economy facilitated by the WWW has left most governments languishing behind in all kinds of ways, not just re taxation, and they're having to play catch up because they didn't react quick enough at the beginning.
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Even if it does go up to the 26% Labour are suggesting they will implement, it's still less than more desirable countries like Germany and France (and 2% less than when the coalition took power in 2010), so I can't really see companies voluntarily relocating to an even worse corporation tax deal than what would be implemented
bramling
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I'm sick of the Liberal Democrats now.
Pretty much every day for the last two weeks I've had mailshots from them. Some of them have been rather sneaky - one each week dressed up to look like a local newspaper and not outwardly obvious until the third page that it's Liberal Democrat propaganda -- someone not well versed in things could quite easily think it's some kind of unbiased publication. Meanwhile I've now had three personally addressed letters from them, all three dressed up to look like more what one would expect from HMRC or such.
I'm getting increasingly tired with having to dispose of their rubbish. Next week I'll be working nights, and heaven help them if one of their campaigners disturbs me during the daytime!
If you don't mind, which constituency is this for?
I would guess it's one they think they have a chance of winning.
I've had nothing from any party of any sort here in Tatton, but that's usual.
Xenophon PCDGS
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These stated companies may well voluntarily relocate (should Britain actually leave the EC) for reasons other than Corporation Tax changes..
bramling
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Hitchin & Harpenden.
In the last election the figures were 31,189 Conservative, 19,158 Labour, 6,236 Liberal Democrat -- so quite a mission for them to win, even if they took a fat lot of Labour votes. The Labour vote share seemed to take quite a bounce in 2017 (up from 11,433 in 2015), which is perhaps surprising in a fairly blue commuter-belt constituency.
The Conservative vote share dropped a bit from 2015 to 2017, although I'd say that was possibly due to the retirement of a long-serving and well-respected MP in the form of Peter Lilley - who incidentally was also pretty hard-line Eurosceptic.
Xenophon PCDGS
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I'm sick of the Liberal Democrats now. Pretty much every day for the last two weeks I've had mailshots from them. Some of them have been rather sneaky - one each week dressed up to look like a local newspaper and not outwardly obvious until the third page that it's Liberal Democrat propaganda -- someone not well versed in things could quite easily think it's some kind of unbiased publication. Meanwhile I've now had three personally addressed letters from them, all three dressed up to look like more what one would expect from HMRC or such.
I'm getting increasingly tired with having to dispose of their rubbish. Next week I'll be working nights, and heaven help them if one of their campaigners disturbs me during the daytime!
You sound very much like someone unused to having commercial mailshots delivered to your home, either by Royal Mail or private leaflet distribution companies. It seems to be a daily occurrence in many places these days.
http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/liberal-democrat agrees with you, it's only the 65th. in their list of "target seats" based on size of swing needed to win.
Tatton is 103rd. on the same list - possibly their cut-off on expenditure on mailshots for seats they hope they might win is between the two numbers?
Places where there is effectively no election. They should save money by cancelling elections in safe seats.
Right, and then I would never have been able to vote!
I'm not stupid enough to know that my vote won't make a difference, but I still want to vote anyway.
I've lived and voted in Hammersmith (when it wasn't marginal), East Hampshire, Fareham, central Manchester and Wilmslow. I also lived in Bath for two years 1994-1996 when there wasn't an election, but where my vote might have made more of a difference if there had been.
Most people effectively can't vote anyway.
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Would this be the same Google that HMRC and George Osborne sanctioned an agreement allowing them to pay £130m to cover a decade of back taxes, a tax rate of around 3%?
We have benefited from a Tory administration since 2010 - that's nine years to tackle the issue: invest in HMRC staff so that they can bring more corporations to book, stop doing sweetheart deals and ensure that loopholes are closed. They have either been negligent or intentionally blind to the issue.
bramling
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You’re possibly right; I am quite careful not to give my address out unless absolutely necessary, which seems to help a bit - same with email address too.
edwin_m
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Ken Clarke's old seat of Rushcliffe is being bombarded with LibDem leaflets. Although Labour were second in 2017 LibDems came top in the Euro elections, beating even the Brexit party. It must be doubtful whether a largely Tory but remain-favouring electorate will vote for the Tory candidate who must be presumed to be pro-Brexit (her leaflet doesn't even mention the word...) or to switch to Labour. So although several tactical voting analysis suggest voting Labour there, special circumstances may apply.
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Reports of an absolute car crash in Sheffield about 2010 this evening, hope everyone is ok.
Puffing Devil
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I never knew that JC read my posts on here!
DynamicSpirit
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You must be more influential than you think. What a shame that BJ isn't wise enough to pay any attention to them
Yes, I seem to remember him presiding over stuff like cuts to workers sick pay schemes etc that ended up mostly hitting the lowest paid, a true visionary
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I wasn't blow away by the Conservative manifesto today, it wasn't bad as such but there wasn't really anything that stood out.
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True, nothing stands out like £billions that someone else is going to pay for, or even better, making £multi billions of uncosted pledges post manifesto!
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Sadly your right there, although I think Labour will struggle in places like Stoke-on-Trent and Sunderland which were previously very Labour areas but voted to leave the EU in relatively large numbers. Labour leave voters there are not convinced that Labour's brexit policy works for them.
GRALISTAIR
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Agreed but —- reading the manifestos from a railway point of view only Labour and the Lub Dems have unequivocally come out for a rolling program of electrification. Conservatives are a bit wishywashy
Just you wait till they discover that the Tories brexit policy (i.e. leave) won't work for them either.
DarloRich
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Today the chief Rabbi has said that Jeremy Corbyn is not fit for high office. Let that sink in for a moment. A senior religious figure has expressly stated a political candidate is not fit for high office. That must be unprecedented in recent political history. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50552068
Of course to Corbyn fan boys it will be all MSM smears and Jews ( sorry Zionists) attacking the sainted Jeremy Best stand clear of the yellow line: the whataboutery express will be along shortly!
Of course to Corbyn fan boys it will be all MSM smears and Jews ( sorry Zionists) attacking the sainted Jeremy Best stand clear of the yellow line: the whataboutery express will be along shortly!
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....and yet, the chief Rabbi, like everyone making accusations before him, fails to cite specific instances nor to say whether this anti-Semitic behaviour has been reported and prosecuted by the police (since it is illegal). First and foremost, this is a legal matter, yet we hear nothing on that. If it has been reported and not prosecuted, that is a failing of the police not the Labour leadership.
Let that sink in for a moment, rather than trying to block attributing any counter-argument to Corbyn fan-boyism and 'whataboutery'.
PS : Please try to remember that there is almost no mention of the offensive, racist ways that the Tory Party leader refers to Muslim women etc ...
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