The_Train
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You mean they are not taking a newly branded Pendolino along the tram lines into central Birmingham?
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First Trenitalia (Avanti!) WCML branding, naming and livery
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You mean they are not taking a newly branded Pendolino along the tram lines into central Birmingham?
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pdeaves
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That would be the legal name, as opposed to the public brand.
EE Andy b1
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You mean they are not taking a newly branded Pendolino along the tram lines into central Birmingham?
I think they were going to try with a Class 221, but nobody likes them, apparently!!
Bletchleyite
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The company behind VTWC is and always has been "West Coast Trains Ltd".
EE Andy b1
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Shame as 221101 looked quite smart in the silk livery.
I wonder if the ROSCO will now get the rest of the WC Class 221s painted into a neutral livery for First Trenitalia to partially brand and then minimal external work required for the next user of the ex Virgin 221s from December 2022.
syorksdeano
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Not sure if this has been posted anywhere, but Virgin have done a 2 minute video which I have no doubt will make the tv
https://twitter.com/VirginTrains/status/1197409307601469441?s=19
https://twitter.com/VirginTrains/status/1197409307601469441?s=19
urpert
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Makes it look like the Belgian I11 stock that is a very distant relative :
https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiture_I11?wprov=sfti1
Bletchleyite
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Looks less rubbish than a Pendolino in all white, probably because the bodyside is a bit "busier" with other stuff to break up the big area of white e.g. the PIS display.
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221 114 had its virgin branding removed today
LNW-GW Joint
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VT managed to find a Virgin-branded 390 this morning for the prime minister's trip to Birmingham, with a media scrum.
Hopefully it will be near enough to time (slow schedule Sun am).
Pictures here (at 1104):
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-2019-50531778
Hopefully it will be near enough to time (slow schedule Sun am).
Pictures here (at 1104):
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-2019-50531778
LeylandLen
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Apologies if its already been asked, but I assume all names of the 390s will go, such as 390045 Virgin Pride, but what about the ones with no 'Virgin' in the name, like City of Manchester ? 390014 ,and all other ' City; names ? Will we be getting 'City of Rome' etc given the name and home of new TOC ?
coradiafan2000
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I'd say the Virgin names are certain to go, and I'm pretty sure the "City of" names will go too as it's attached to the previous operator. XC's Voyagers lost their names when they transferred from Virgin.
Bletchleyite
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Though despite this the "Voyager" name has remained. It was previously used by BR (InterCity) to describe an enhanced Standard class on XC for long journeys, so is probably not a Virgin trademark.
urpert
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That’s sad. There have been “City of X” nameplates on the WCML at least since the days of the 86s.
someone took a pic inside a DRS MK3 last week, it still had a Virgin route map in it!
Also an update on custhelp: EMR are quoting 'Avanti West Coast' again and TFW now mention it too.
... well for the next hour or so !
There's also a blank 'Avanti West Coast' Wikipedia page linking to West Coast Rail, but I suppose anyone could have done that,.
Also an update on custhelp: EMR are quoting 'Avanti West Coast' again and TFW now mention it too.
... well for the next hour or so !
There's also a blank 'Avanti West Coast' Wikipedia page linking to West Coast Rail, but I suppose anyone could have done that,.
coradiafan2000
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That's not to say the new operator won't honour tradition. That said I'd find it a bit silly to rename, for example, the current "City of Manchester" to "City of Liverpool", and vice versa.
coradiafan2000
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That's true, the "Adelante" name has stuck with the 180s despite not being operated by FGW anymore. "Pendolino" in particular is a name most passengers recognise, so I'd expect this to remain also.
Bletchleyite
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Though that, to be fair, is a trademark of the train builder and not the TOC.
coradiafan2000
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I didn't know that that. I thought FGW were the ones who gave them that name. Didn't Grand Central want to call their's "Zephyrs" but the name didn't catch on? To make this more relevant to the topic, if that was anything to go by then the First Trenitalia will have a hard time giving Pendolinos and Voyagers different names.
TT-ONR-NRN
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As you can see, I’ve just discovered that 390039 is still Virgin branded
greatvoyager
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Pendolino is the general name for tilting trains worldwide, but I thought the Voyager name was just for the product, rather than brand?
coradiafan2000
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Could be. I don't know the intricacies of these things.
EE Andy b1
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Why would they want to change 2 established names? Most people know a Pendolino and it's been a great success, not perfect and Super Voyagers will be leaving within 3 years, they just need a new name or names for there new rolling stock at the end of 2022. Although they don't need a name at all but i'm sure they will have one!!
coradiafan2000
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I wasn't suggesting they would, I was just saying that if they tried to they probably wouldn't be successful.
EE Andy b1
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Yep i think your right on that.
greatvoyager
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I agree, sorry I think I misunderstood your earlier point.
TT-ONR-NRN
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They’ve covered up the safety information poster signs throughout the train saying “Your Virgin Pendolino” with one saying “Your Pendolino” on this 390 I’m on. This must mean the name Pendolino is staying!
LNW-GW Joint
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I think Bletchleyite meant that Pendolinos were the manufacturer's name, not Adelante, which I think is a First Group invention.
Pendolino is the trade name for Fiat Ferroviaria's tilting technology (originally ex-BR, and now Alstom), and is not a general term for tilting trains.
Sweden's X2000 is not a Pendolino, for instance, neither are the various Talgo tilting products - nor class 221 Voyagers for that matter.
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