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Bristol Clean Air Zone

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Lucan

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I did post about this in the Buses & Coaches forum, but many of you guys here may have missed that. Bristol City Council have approved a scheme to ban private diesel cars from the city centre and dockside areas from 07:00 to 15:00, and are to charge diesel taxis, buses, coaches, and HGVs £100 per day to enter this and a much wider area (roughly the entire inner city) unless they meet the latest emmission regulations. The ban will apply to private diesel cars even if they do meet the latest regulations.

The area of the car ban will include access to Temple Meads Station. This is about NOx emissions, not global warming. The scheme is subject to central government approval.

https://www.cleanairforbristol.org/
Bristol City Council’s ambitious plan to improve air quality to meet targets for nitrogen dioxide (NO2) legal limits has been submitted to Government following its approval by Cabinet on 5 November.
The Outline Business Case (OBC) recommends Bristol becomes the first city in the UK to take the bold step of introducing a diesel ban for private cars in the city centre and harbourside area which would operate daily from 7am to 3pm. There would also be a wider Clean Air Zone (CAZ) where non-compliant commercial vehicles such as buses, taxis, HGVs and LGVs would be charged. A car scrappage scheme would also be launched.
 
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No, it won't. It appears it includes the present front access on the map but I'm sure another pick up/drop off access will be made available otherwise people will just do so on street.
There appears to be access from the St Phillips Marsh side but all access from the main roads seem to pass through the CAZ
 

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Look at this detail from the map. The station approach road and the "street" outside (Temple Gate / Bath Road) are clearly inside the grey diesel car ban zone. I think you are under-estimating Bristol Council's stance on this. They have not yet said how this ban will be enforced, and I won't be surprised if the scheme is considerably softened by the time central government have finished with it. My bet is that it will be thrown out (because of other factors besides Temple Meads) and Bristol will be told to drop it, or come back with a scheme which is actually sane.

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Look at this detail from the map. The station approach road and the "street" outside (Temple Gate / Bath Road) are clearly inside the grey diesel car ban zone. I think you are under-estimating Bristol Council's stance on this. They have not yet said how this ban will be enforced, and I won't be surprised if the scheme is considerably softened by the time central government have finished with it. My bet is that it will be thrown out (because of other factors besides Temple Meads) and Bristol will be told to drop it, or come back with a scheme which is actually sane.

I suspect they are going this hard-line so they can then climb down a bit and get what they really want, which is probably something with a specification more akin to the London ULEZ. They can also blame National Government if it is rejected - "we tried but they wouldn't let us".

I maintain my view that there should be a single national emissions standard for LEZ and ULEZ which would be based on London's standards and progress over time (London's ULEZ standard, for reference, is presently Euro 6 diesel and Euro 4 petrol), and the Councils just set the area and the fee level if exceptions by fee are being allowed.

Euro 7 is I believe due out soon, and I suspect London will probably introduce that for the ULEZ once enough Euro 7 cars have filtered through to the used market - maybe 5 years off?
 

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Unless Temple Way (at the bottom of The Incline, the approach road up to the station entrance), were included in such a zone, there would be no point in having any exclusion zone proposal, as this is one of the most trafficked areas of Bristol.
Eventually the planned eastern ex-Cattle Market (became Post Office sorting office) entrance could perhaps be used, as it outside the marked zone, but that entrance plan is possibly decades away. Also, that entrance is the full station width away from the booking office, unless an additional office is constructed there.
I understood that the plans were for the present Friary northern side entrance to become the main entrance, but that is also just outside the marked zone in post #4 (where the red marker is) and you can't reach it, other than through the exclusion zone.
 

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Euro 7 is I believe due out soon, and I suspect London will probably introduce that for the ULEZ once enough Euro 7 cars have filtered through to the used market - maybe 5 years off?

Euro 7 is a long way away. No standards have been set, indeed I’m not sure it has even been discussed. It will be at least 5 years before implementation. By then it will mostly be an issue for commercial vehicles, as the private / light goods market will be well on the path to zero emission.
 

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Can’t understand the point of this zone on roads where it just covers half of the road, like that it covers the start of the Portway??
 

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I suspect they are going this hard-line so they can then climb down a bit and get what they really want, which is probably something with a specification more akin to the London ULEZ. They can also blame National Government if it is rejected - "we tried but they wouldn't let us".

I maintain my view that there should be a single national emissions standard for LEZ and ULEZ which would be based on London's standards and progress over time (London's ULEZ standard, for reference, is presently Euro 6 diesel and Euro 4 petrol), and the Councils just set the area and the fee level if exceptions by fee are being allowed.

Euro 7 is I believe due out soon, and I suspect London will probably introduce that for the ULEZ once enough Euro 7 cars have filtered through to the used market - maybe 5 years off?
As Bald Rick says no Euro 7 on the horizon.

ULEZ when extended to the circulars in October 2021 and another 2 years for fleet churn and another few years of low NOx gas boilers (the other big source and the best BCR for reduction) will do the trick overall so there are no plans to lower ULEZ standards just expand the area in 2 years time.
 

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Can’t understand the point of this zone on roads where it just covers half of the road, like that it covers the start of the Portway??
Yes, in practice the zone extends further in many directions than the map suggests because eg coming south down the Portway you will not be able to turn off or turn round at the point where the ban starts. The ban starts at the Bridge Valley Road junction, but that road is banned too, so you will need to turn off the Portway two miles earlier* into the maze of residential roads around Sea Mills.

WRT the HGV and Bus restriction, Bristol Council cannot(?) apply it to a motorway, but they have restricted all exits from the last junction (J3) of the M32, so effectively the zone does extend up the motorway to the previous one at Eastville.

It is similar where Temple Meads is concerned. The nearest a diesel car could get to it and be able to turn away again is the Three Lamps junction**, approaching up Bath Road and turning away down Wells Road (but not in the opposite direction). You could drop a passenger off there for a 800 yard walk to the station, but you'd probably be rear-ended by the time you did, such is the traffic around there.

* For those that don't know it, this stretch is in the Clifton Gorge.
** Where the HGV and bus zone boundary is.
 
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