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ScotRail HST Introduction - Updates & Discussion

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Highland37 said:
Ah but this doesn't show, as far as I am aware, a situation where an HST (or any other type) has failed prior to the start of a service and is then replaced by a 170 or 158 before the scheduled departure time. This is what happened to my daughter last week.

I have just got a message from my other half saying she had to change train before the train departed Queen Street. On RTT it is shown as "

Pathed as Diesel locomotive, trailing load 324 tonnes
Planned for 100mph max"

so it will be interesting to see what turns up at Carrbridge when I see them.
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170413 just pulled out of Dunblane with Destination indicator displaying Inverness
 
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A refurb set was sitting idle in Dundee sidings this evening, although that could be to do with things being out of position thanks to the sinkhole at Leuchars.
 
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marks87 said:
A refurb set was sitting idle in Dundee sidings this evening, although that could be to do with things being out of position thanks to the sinkhole at Leuchars.
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Sinkhole at Leuchars! Hopefully not too serious; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-50547403 and; https://stv.tv/news/north/1442664-trains-suspended-after-sinkhole-opens-beneath-tracks/ and; https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/fife/1027976/all-trains-cancelled-between-dundee-and-edinburgh-due-to-3ft-deep-sinkhole-on-line/

Certainly going to disrupt HSTs and almost everything else.
 
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Highland37 said:
It was 170413 as you say. So we know that RTT cannot be used as any indication of HST use making the post above redundant.
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To be fair I've only ever used RTT for a very rough guide of what may turn up, if the train fails before it makes it to Queen Street in the morning then I think that RTT will show the original traction for the diagram for the rest of the day.

I have found it quite accurate for figuring out if a service will be 158 or 170 formed in the past (170s are shown as timed for 100mph, 158s for 90mph), but those are much larger and more reliable fleets than our "best ever" 40 year old, semi-permanent depot display models...
 
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Highland37 said:
It was 170413 as you say. So we know that RTT cannot be used as any indication of HST use making the post above redundant.
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RTT (or any other similar site that uses the NR data feed - it seems to be RTT that gets the “blame” though) has never been an indicator of what type of train will be used. It is a “timing load” and that is all. As an example, many of Chiltern’s services are or were timed as “Class 158” - even though they don’t have any 158s, it’s just that is what is most suitable in the planning system.

This has been explained numerous times on here an elsewhere.
 
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43096 said:
RTT (or any other similar site that uses the NR data feed - it seems to be RTT that gets the “blame” though) has never been an indicator of what type of train will be used. It is a “timing load” and that is all. As an example, many of Chiltern’s services are or were timed as “Class 158” - even though they don’t have any 158s, it’s just that is what is most suitable in the planning system.

This has been explained numerous times on here an elsewhere.
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I see this morning that the vandals/ street artists! Have rebranded the long idle set at haymarket opposite Murrayfield. An entire classic carriage almost total coverage. Tidy job if you like that sort of thing. But bottom line it’s vandalism without consent.
 
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The most up to date/accurate way of seeing what’s on each service is the Scotrail App. If you got to live departures for your chosen station it shows number of carriages. HSTs don’t show any carriages strangely, but at least you know it’s an HST if there’s nothing shown against the train.

The incidents menu at the top show short forms for relevant services.
 
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I see this morning that the vandals/ street artists! Have rebranded the long idle set at haymarket opposite Murrayfield. An entire classic carriage almost total coverage. Tidy job if you like that sort of thing. But bottom line it’s vandalism without consent.
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I'm surprised it's taken this long when these things never move!
 
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43096 said:
RTT (or any other similar site that uses the NR data feed - it seems to be RTT that gets the “blame” though) has never been an indicator of what type of train will be used. It is a “timing load” and that is all. As an example, many of Chiltern’s services are or were timed as “Class 158” - even though they don’t have any 158s, it’s just that is what is most suitable in the planning system.

This has been explained numerous times on here an elsewhere.
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You have totally misunderstood my point which was....

I asked how many of the planned diagrams (screenshot above) actually were successfully completed. In reply, someone used RTT as evidence that they were all completed. As we know, but I wasn't sure at the time, this is in no way an indication if an HST completed or even started a diagram. Both times I have looked recently, it has shown an HST or timed for as you say. Both times the HST hasn't even been able to start the services in question (Monday last week and yesterday) as they have failed prior to starting the service.

So, what other ways are there to find out if an HST actually completed its diagram?
 
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Highland37 said:
You have totally misunderstood my point which was....

I asked how many of the planned diagrams (screenshot above) actually were successfully completed. In reply, someone used RTT as evidence that they were all completed. As we know, but I wasn't sure at the time, this is in no way an indication if an HST completed or even started a diagram. Both times I have looked recently, it has shown an HST or timed for as you say. Both times the HST hasn't even been able to start the services in question (Monday last week and yesterday) as they have failed prior to starting the service.

So, what other ways are there to find out if an HST actually completed its diagram?
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Having access to the railway systems. I don't think that there are any publicly accessible online tools that alow you to do that but I may be wrong.
 
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Mingulay said:
I see this morning that the vandals/ street artists! Have rebranded the long idle set at haymarket opposite Murrayfield. An entire classic carriage almost total coverage. Tidy job if you like that sort of thing. But bottom line it’s vandalism without consent.
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Any pictures? I've had no luck looking online, and I'm afraid I'm more of a Glasgow person, any links? Or even better, could you video/take a picture of the work?
 
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Altnabreac said:
Looking at Twitter there seem to be 5 refurbished sets out today covering 22 services.

Hopefully a sign of improving availability.
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5 refurb (including first day for HA19) and 2 classics.

Strikes me the bigger issue is classic set availability.
 
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Altnabreac said:
Looking at Twitter there seem to be 5 refurbished sets out today covering 22 services.

Hopefully a sign of improving availability.
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That was the plan a few days ago and at least 20% of the diagrams were not completed by an HST. I don't know how to verify the rest though.
 
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Good news. I went down to Inverness Station this lunch time to see if the 1248 was a refurb. It was and departed exactly on time.

Unfortunately you could smell the diesel fumes before seeing the train but there is no way round that.
 
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Highland37 said:
That was the plan a few days ago and at least 20% of the diagrams were not completed by an HST. I don't know how to verify the rest though.
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Great!! Just need some more refurbs delivered now.... Surely they're must be some ready or nearly ready, Wabtec Doncaster or Kilmarnock must be bulging with sets now....?
 
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