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Northern 323s refurbishment and cascade

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Has anyone noticed the fluorescent lights change intensity as the power is applied whilst leaving the station?
I wondered how this would pan out for the LED version of lighting that's supposed to be fitted on 226 and retro'd on 234 & 238.
Seems to be some sort of surge which the fluorescents and control gear can cope with, makes me wonder if the LEDs can cope with the same abuse.
 
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Has anyone noticed the fluorescent lights change intensity as the power is applied whilst leaving the station?
I wondered how this would pan out for the LED version of lighting that's supposed to be fitted on 226 and retro'd on 234 & 238.
Seems to be some sort of surge which the fluorescents and control gear can cope with, makes me wonder if the LEDs can cope with the same abuse.
They've always done that (albeit worse on some units than others). I certainly hope it doesn't cause widespread lighting failures.
Incidentally the LU 1972/1973 stock does seem to suffer from some of the lighting failing quite a bit; is it a similar issue?

I suppose replacing the existing windows with modern fully sealed units with no openings would be a costly process.
Even if it wasn't, it would make them unbearably hot without air conditioning being added.
 

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Didn't get a look inside the exterior of 323238 was certainly looking very shiny and almost new when it passed Liverpool South Parkway on Saturday running 593L Wolverton Centre Sidings to Allerton Depot.

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Is the life expectancy of the Class 323 units long enough to bear the cost of air conditioning and sealed window units at the time of any upgrading works being carried out?

Not sure but the similarly upgraded 321s were about 25 years old at the point they were done, were they not? If they did the same work on the 323s next year (for arguments sake) they would be 28 years old. Not massively different age wise and aren't the 769s for GWR getting air cooling (which means windows will be sealed or locked shut also, anyone know) also, despite their age being even older than the 323s?
 

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The seats were dusty. I don't know why. They must be a cheaper fabric or they have been treated with something to reduce dirt but an unfortunate side effect is that attracts dust/hair.
 

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What, Siemens? Since when?

To answer my own question, it's from Monday of this week. It's scheduled to be two units per day, between peaks only, but on Monday it seems only one unit made the journey due to cancellations on Hadfields.
According to 'Wikipedia' the Ardwick stabling is to replace that at Longsight Excursion Platform, but, up to now at least, that hasn't proved to be the case, the two units running into Ardwick between peaks are replacing the two which would have run into Longsight CMD. The four units stabling at the Excursion Platform overnight are continuing to do so, for now.
 

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New sidings at AK built to stable them which will include arrival exam , clean and prep etc.
 

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4 overnight, The excursion platform is needed for TPE from the new timetable. Its purely for stabling, all the heavy works being covered on visits to Allerton, minus cleaning and watering.
 

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If I'm reading RTT correctly it would seem that the six Ardwick diagrams are going to replace the four which currently stable at Longsight Excursion Platform, one of the ones which stables at Piccadilly, and one of the ones which stables at Stockport CMD. The latter certainly doesn't look to be losing work so there is presumably going to be a bit of a reshuffle.
I can only now account for three 323 diagrams running out of Ardwick on Sundays (on the new timetable) but it does appear that there is a diagram imbalance at weekends, i.e. the number of diagrams running out in the morning isn't necessarily the same number as those returning at night.
 

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The excursion platform is needed for TPE from the new timetable.

According to RTT, on the new timetable the only booked movements into/out of the Excursion Platform are of the TfW LHCS set.
 

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Looks like at least one has been cancelled. How many 323s are currently at Wolverton?

Incidentally there also seem to be some paths booked for 165s between Wolverton and Reading. What are these for?
 

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Looks like at least one has been cancelled. How many 323s are currently at Wolverton?

Incidentally there also seem to be some paths booked for 165s between Wolverton and Reading. What are these for?
i believe the 165 runs are for air conditioning mods taking place
 

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If I'm reading RTT correctly it would seem that the six Ardwick diagrams are going to replace the four which currently stable at Longsight Excursion Platform, one of the ones which stables at Piccadilly, and one of the ones which stables at Stockport CMD. The latter certainly doesn't look to be losing work so there is presumably going to be a bit of a reshuffle.
I can only now account for three 323 diagrams running out of Ardwick on Sundays (on the new timetable) but it does appear that there is a diagram imbalance at weekends, i.e. the number of diagrams running out in the morning isn't necessarily the same number as those returning at night.

4 on - on a Saturday night. 3 off on a Sunday. 1 Stabled all day for Monday.

There is even one booked off Allerton at 23+07 to work the 2330 Man Air from Liverpool which stables at Picc.
 

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There is even one booked off Allerton at 23+07 to work the 2330 Man Air from Liverpool which stables at Picc.

A 323, do you mean? I see that the unit which is scheduled to stable in Picc P12 overnight goes on to do 0446 Airport - Blackpool North. Surely there's no immediate plan to run 323s on Blackpools?
If the unit departing Lime Street at 2330 really did need to be a 323, I could see some sense in sending one from Allerton, since I believe that, up to now, 323s haven't operated Chat Moss stoppers on Sundays.
Not that I'd be particularly convinced that there wouldn't be some other satisfactory arrangement, of course.
 
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