Bevan Price
Established Member
- Joined
- 22 Apr 2010
- Messages
- 7,337
A printed (paper) version of that "Virgin advance" WCML timetable is available already - got a copy at Runcorn last week.
-
Our booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk (powered by TrainSplit) helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchase! Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread!
List of published December 2019 timetable pdf files
- Thread starter berneyarms
- Start date
- Status
Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; click here to register, or click here to log in
R
RailUK Forums
berneyarms
Established Member
Updated list of published timetable pdf files as of this evening:
Statto
Established Member
Virgin have changed the format, the December timetable now appears as pdf.
Esker-pades
Established Member
TfL = Transport for London.
People are hardly going to think they're ending up in Liverpool or whatever other city has a station called 'Paddington'.
berneyarms
Established Member
Updated list of published timetable pdf files as of this evening:
- Cross Country
- Gatwick Express
- Grand Central
- Great Northern
- LNER
- London Northwestern Railway
- Northern
- Southern
- Scotrail (All routes except for 4 route timetables)
- South Western Railway
- TfL Rail
- Thameslink
- Transpennine Express
- Virgin (Advance published for New West Coast Franchise)
- West Midlands Railway
berneyarms
Established Member
Updated list of published timetable pdf files as of this afternoon:
Still to go are:
- Cross Country
- Gatwick Express
- Grand Central
- Great Northern
- GWR
- LNER
- London Northwestern Railway
- Northern
- Southern
- Scotrail
- South Western Railway
- TfL Rail
- Thameslink
- Transpennine Express
- Virgin (Advance published for New West Coast Franchise)
- West Midlands Railway
Still to go are:
- c2c
- Caledonian Sleeper
- Chiltern Railways
- East Midlands Railway
- Greater Anglia
- Hull Trains
- London Overground
- Merseyrail
- Southeastern
- Transport for Wales
- Network Rail Electronic National Rail Timetable
- Network Rail Working Timetables
Last edited:
berneyarms
Established Member
Several more have now appeared:
Still to go are:
- Cross Country
- East Midlands Railway
- Gatwick Express
- Grand Central
- Greater Anglia
- Great Northern
- GWR
- LNER
- London Northwestern Railway
- Northern
- Southern
- Scotrail
- South Western Railway
- TfL Rail
- Thameslink
- Transpennine Express
- Virgin (Advance published for New West Coast Franchise)
- West Midlands Railway
Still to go are:
- c2c
- Caledonian Sleeper
- Chiltern Railways
- Hull Trains
- London Overground
- Merseyrail
- Southeastern
- Transport for Wales
- Network Rail Electronic National Rail Timetable
- Network Rail Working Timetables
berneyarms
Established Member
Updated list with the addition of Southeastern:
Still to go are:
- Cross Country
- East Midlands Railway
- Gatwick Express
- Grand Central
- Greater Anglia
- Great Northern
- GWR
- LNER
- London Northwestern Railway
- Northern
- Scotrail
- Southeastern
- Southern
- South Western Railway
- TfL Rail
- Thameslink
- Transpennine Express
- Virgin (Advance published for New West Coast Franchise)
- West Midlands Railway
Still to go are:
- c2c
- Caledonian Sleeper
- Chiltern Railways
- Hull Trains
- London Overground
- Merseyrail
- Transport for Wales
- Network Rail Electronic National Rail Timetable
- Network Rail Working Timetables
Statto
Established Member
The new Merseyrail timetables will be published around a week before the change date.
gerjomarty
Member
- Joined
- 19 Mar 2018
- Messages
- 18
New timetables for NI Railways and the Enterprise service, valid from Sunday 8th December, are now available here.
There don't seem to be very large changes apart from some retiming, from the very little I've looked at.
There don't seem to be very large changes apart from some retiming, from the very little I've looked at.
berneyarms
Established Member
Updated list with the addition of Transport for Wales and NI Railways:
Still to go are:
- Cross Country
- East Midlands Railway
- Gatwick Express
- Grand Central
- Greater Anglia
- Great Northern
- GWR
- LNER
- London Northwestern Railway
- NI Railways (from 8 Dec 2019)
- Northern
- Scotrail
- Southeastern
- Southern
- South Western Railway
- TfL Rail
- Thameslink
- Transpennine Express
- Transport for Wales
- Virgin (Advance published for New West Coast Franchise)
- West Midlands Railway
Still to go are:
- c2c
- Caledonian Sleeper
- Chiltern Railways
- Hull Trains
- London Overground
- Merseyrail
- Network Rail Electronic National Rail Timetable
- Network Rail Working Timetables
The December NRT has landed [1], though rather oddly without Table 17 (to be uploaded next week, apparently). Anyone know what the issue is with that?
[1] With my usual complaints about no maps, no sleeper tables, etc. as a given, as I've been saying the same thing every time a new one comes out for a few years now
[1] With my usual complaints about no maps, no sleeper tables, etc. as a given, as I've been saying the same thing every time a new one comes out for a few years now
Johnny Lewis
Member
Chiltern's timetables were on their website yesterday.
berneyarms
Established Member
Updated list with the addition of Chiltern and Hull Trains:
Still to go are:
- Chiltern Railways
- Cross Country
- East Midlands Railway
- Gatwick Express
- Grand Central
- Greater Anglia
- Great Northern
- GWR
- Hull Trains
- LNER
- London Northwestern Railway
- NI Railways (from 8 Dec 2019)
- Northern
- Scotrail
- Southeastern
- Southern
- South Western Railway
- TfL Rail
- Thameslink
- Transpennine Express
- Transport for Wales
- Virgin (Advance published for New West Coast Franchise)
- West Midlands Railway
Still to go are:
- c2c
- Caledonian Sleeper
- London Overground
- Merseyrail
- Network Rail Electronic National Rail Timetable
- Network Rail Working Timetables
Last edited:
splashoutradio
Member
You don't happen have a link to the NRT, please? It may well be me not looking hard enough, but I can only find reference to the May edition on NR's website.
berneyarms
Established Member
It has been removed.
When it’s live again I’ll post a link.
eNRT dated December 2019 appears to be back again at https://www.networkrail.co.uk/running-the-railway/the-timetable/electronic-national-rail-timetable/
Please note: Table 017 will be uploaded week commencing Monday 2nd December 2019. Minor amendments are in progress for some Tables and updated files will be uploaded in January 2020.
David Turner
Member
Yet again the 19.07 London Euston to Liverpool Lime Street isn’t in Table 65 (weekdays) in the Network Rail timetable. I think this is now the fourth year its not been shown.
berneyarms
Established Member
Updated list with the addition of most of the Network Rail eNRT:
Still to go are:
- Chiltern Railways
- Cross Country
- East Midlands Railway
- Gatwick Express
- Grand Central
- Greater Anglia
- Great Northern
- GWR
- Hull Trains
- LNER
- London Northwestern Railway
- NI Railways (from 8 Dec 2019)
- Northern
- Scotrail
- Southeastern
- Southern
- South Western Railway
- TfL Rail
- Thameslink
- Transpennine Express
- Transport for Wales
- Virgin (Advance published for New West Coast Franchise)
- West Midlands Railway
- Network Rail Electronic National Rail Timetable (Partial)
Still to go are:
- c2c
- Caledonian Sleeper
- London Overground
- Merseyrail
- Network Rail Electronic National Rail Timetable (Full)
- Network Rail Working Timetables
Network Rail used to send out advance copies of the timetable to volunteers like me, who were able to pick up these errors and inform them in advance of publication.
Then Network Rail "required" our feedback to be in the format of a silly spreadsheet, so I stopped bothering providing it. Now Network Rail no longer bothers with the process at all.
It just feels that Network Rail can't be bothered and deliberately do a bad job so that the task will get taken away from them in future. Also any experience seems to have been removed by staff turnover and relocations.
Merseyrail's timetables are now available on the Merseytravel website. City Line Book 1 (the Liverpool-Manchester "summary" timetable) is not available yet for some reason, but this info should be available via the other timetable booklets and Northern's own timetable leaflets.
berneyarms
Established Member
Updated list with the addition of London Overground and Merseyrail (on the Merseytravel site):
Still to go are:
- Chiltern Railways
- Cross Country
- East Midlands Railway
- Gatwick Express
- Grand Central
- Greater Anglia
- Great Northern
- GWR
- Hull Trains
- LNER
- London Northwestern Railway
- London Overground
- Merseyrail
- NI Railways (from 8 Dec 2019)
- Northern
- Scotrail
- Southeastern
- Southern
- South Western Railway
- TfL Rail
- Thameslink
- Transpennine Express
- Transport for Wales
- Virgin (Advance published for New West Coast Franchise)
- West Midlands Railway
- Network Rail Electronic National Rail Timetable (Partial)
Still to go are:
- c2c
- Caledonian Sleeper
- Network Rail Electronic National Rail Timetable (Full)
- Network Rail Working Timetables
Working timetables now at https://www.networkrail.co.uk/running-the-railway/the-timetable/working-timetable/, including a zip file single download.
berneyarms
Established Member
Updated list with the final timetable uploaded:
- Avanti West Coast
- Caledonian Sleeper
- Chiltern Railways
- Cross Country
- c2c
- East Midlands Railway
- Gatwick Express
- Grand Central
- Greater Anglia
- Great Northern
- GWR
- Hull Trains
- LNER
- London Northwestern Railway
- London Overground
- Merseyrail
- NI Railways (from 8 Dec 2019)
- Northern
- Scotrail
- Southeastern
- Southern
- South Western Railway
- TfL Rail
- Thameslink
- Transpennine Express
- Transport for Wales
- West Midlands Railway
- Network Rail Electronic National Rail Timetable
- Network Rail Working Timetable
Last edited:
LNW-GW Joint
Veteran Member
NRT Table 81 (Crewe/Manchester/Liverpool-Chester-Holyhead) has gained some very odd entries.
The way the station banks have been constructed means that:
LM Liverpool South Parkway-Birmingham/Euston services are shown (also VT Runcorn-Euston) - but no times from Lime St
NT Crewe-Manchester-Liverpool are shown (northbound only) (also all CLC services)
There are probably other anomalies.
There's a difference between what is shown north and southbound through Liverpool South Parkway.
All very peculiar.
It's all because of the way some stations have arrival times shown while others have departure times
The timetable production system has just inserted all the qualifying trains, however illogical it is in terms of routeing.
It doesn't help that the Liverpool entries are not separated off by a horizontal line.
A poor effort.
No attempt has been made to show Leeds as a regular terminus of trains from Chester either, it's all done in footnotes.
Also I hadn't noticed before, but the early Wrexham-Chester-Lime St now starts from Shrewsbury.
I think that might be Gobowen/Chirk/Ruabon's first ever through train to Liverpool (Lime St at least).
The way the station banks have been constructed means that:
LM Liverpool South Parkway-Birmingham/Euston services are shown (also VT Runcorn-Euston) - but no times from Lime St
NT Crewe-Manchester-Liverpool are shown (northbound only) (also all CLC services)
There are probably other anomalies.
There's a difference between what is shown north and southbound through Liverpool South Parkway.
All very peculiar.
It's all because of the way some stations have arrival times shown while others have departure times
The timetable production system has just inserted all the qualifying trains, however illogical it is in terms of routeing.
It doesn't help that the Liverpool entries are not separated off by a horizontal line.
A poor effort.
No attempt has been made to show Leeds as a regular terminus of trains from Chester either, it's all done in footnotes.
Also I hadn't noticed before, but the early Wrexham-Chester-Lime St now starts from Shrewsbury.
I think that might be Gobowen/Chirk/Ruabon's first ever through train to Liverpool (Lime St at least).
- Status