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One thing to note about the X1/X2 era is that in those days it was tendered. It was only later when it became the X41 that it became commercial.
 
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Can anyone point me in the direction of a fleet list please? The earlier one in the thread is now a dead link.
 
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Rosso are ending the 7,8,11,12 and 13 in January. 11,12,13 are subsidised anyway so the council will try to find a new operator. This means Rosso will no longer operate any route entirely contained within Rossendale.
 
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Rosso are ending the 7,8,11,12 and 13 in January. 11,12,13 are subsidised anyway so the council will try to find a new operator. This means Rosso will no longer operate any route entirely contained within Rossendale.
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158756 said:
Rosso are ending the 7,8,11,12 and 13 in January. 11,12,13 are subsidised anyway so the council will try to find a new operator. This means Rosso will no longer operate any route entirely contained within Rossendale.
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Where did you find this?
 
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If the 11-13 are subsidised surely its case that the tender has run its course and other operator has gained the new tender.
 
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https://www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/villages-rossendale-cut-completely-bus-17251933

Villages in Rossendale to be cut off completely as bus services slashed
Rosso have terminated their operating contracts with the county council on several local routes
Passengers across large swathes of the borough could be cut off in the New Year after it was announced unprofitable local bus services will be axed.

Rosso have terminated their operating contracts on the Lancashire County Council-controlled 7, 8, 11, 12 and 13 local routes from January 2020.

While some of the scrapped routes are expected to be re-tendered in some form by LCC - including statutory home-to-school transport provision - the cuts could leave villages without bus access.
Former Waterfoot councillor Tim Nuttall is worried about the impact on some communities.

He said: “None of our housing estates will have a service to link into the mainline routes, Weir and Helmshore will lose their buses and the Todmorden route, resurrected a couple of years ago as a reward after the Tories took control of County Hall, will disappear again.”

A spokesperson for Rosso, which was sold by Rossendale council to French-owned Transdev in January 2018, said: “We have requested that we terminate our contracts to operate the Rawtenstall local services (7, 8, 11, 12 and 13) from January. These routes all make a loss.

"We have made our best efforts to turn this situation around over the past two years and have improved reliability in the process, but the losses have continued. These routes are controlled by the county council and are not specified as such by Rosso, who simply run them under contract to them.”


Rosso say they will work with LCC to ensure “an effective transition” and insist the decision is unrelated to Rawtenstall’s new £3.5m bus station.

The announcement also comes just weeks after they hailed ‘an amazing turnaround in fortunes’ plus 14pc passenger growth across all routes.

The spokesperson added: “The opening of the new bus station complements the huge investment we have already made in vehicles and we believe will add up to create a first class public transport offer in Rawtenstall and beyond.

“It will impact on our operational costs in the long term but, for now, current costs to us remain similar to what we paid to use the old facility.”

The 11, 12 and 13 local Rawtenstall circular buses serve Haslingden, Helmshore, Balladen and New Hall Hey with around 10 services per route per day.

Rosso operates the 7 and 8 seven times on weekdays, with LCC funding non-commercially viable sections. They serve New Line, Edgeside and Newchurch, with the 7 calling at Todmorden via Sharneyford, and the 8 at Burnley via Weir.

An LCC spokesman said: “Whilst the section of route between Bacup and Burnley is currently provided without subsidy, these services are also used by over 60 students who qualify for statutory home to school transport from Weir and Bacup to The Valley Leadership Academy. We are currently working with transport providers to explore the options to maintain a sustainable replacement service.”
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According to this article all the routes are partly subsidised.

There are unconfirmed rumours on social media that the Red 4 is being axed as well.
 
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Presumably the agreed subsidy dates back to Rossendale Council days and was based on costs of operating from Haslingden. The extra cost of operating them from further afield now being the issue; Transdev appointed a new financial director a while back.
 
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SCH117X said:
Presumably the agreed subsidy dates back to Rossendale Council days and was based on costs of operating from Haslingden. The extra cost of operating them from further afield now being the issue; Transdev appointed a new financial director a while back.
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That being the case, running large numbers of 'not in service' buses from Burnley to Bury area and from Blackburn to Rochdale must be giving them some thoughts for future service cuts!
 
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SCH117X said:
Presumably the agreed subsidy dates back to Rossendale Council days and was based on costs of operating from Haslingden. The extra cost of operating them from further afield now being the issue; Transdev appointed a new financial director a while back.
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I’m not sure that is the issue, as some buses on these services start in Burnley, and those that don’t, the extra length of the dead run will be minor in context to the rest of the board.
 
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Have they closed the Rochdale depot?
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I’m not sure that is the issue, as some buses on these services start in Burnley, and those that don’t, the extra length of the dead run will be minor in context to the rest of the board.
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I understand (from this thread) all the 464's run out of Blackburn. Looking at the timetable several 464's commence/finish at Rochdale. Logic would suggest considerable empty running therefore. Enhanced logic would suggest having a depot somewhere en-route - Haslingden or Rawtenstall perhaps!
5 buses appear to start at Rochdale,
5 at Haslingden
2 at Accrington.
Exactly 0 at Blackburn (or Intack).

Prior to the recent changes, a minimum of 23 vehicles ran Bury routes (far more with school contracts) a handful of which commenced, one way or the other, in service from Burnley. Some of these may have run from Rochdale.
 
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The 464s are run out of Intack. The Irwell Line and the rossendale locals being discussed here are from Burnley. At least until the recent service changes everything else runs from Rochdale.
 
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Logically a number of 464s ought to be run by Rochdale but running an entire service out of a single depot regardless of a depot elsewhere is Transdev thing possibly down to pay differences between depots. The York operated 22/23 service for example between York, Ripon and Knaresborough has workings which would in terms of dead mileage would be cheaper to operate from Starbeck, Harrogate. The current WYIS fleetlst lists the 464 Versas at Intack; the sole active Dart 714, 11 B7RLEs largely in Irwell Line livery, the six B7TL deckers and four ex Nottingham Tridents as being at Queensgate with the remainder of the fleet at Rochdale. Of note the number of active Scanias is just three of the K230UUB type (1611,1612 & 1616); oddly for a make alien to Transdev the withdrawn K230UUBs (1613-1615) are all listed as being stored for reuse whilst all of the withdrawn Scania L94UBs (1600-1610) are listed as being disposed of.
 
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RustySpoons said:
Amazing Transdev save the day...!

https://www.transdevbus.co.uk/rosso...rXMyy1rLWBjMuxEjajcGHis_YPodC0s6kj1wBGRRSf_nY

All these services officially being run by Burnley & Pende (or Burnley Bus Co as they prefer to be called), rather than Rosso...
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#Amazing
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This is rather churlish now. You don't like Transdev or their Amazing brand - we get it!

Unless I'm missing something, Transdev pulled the plug as they were losing money, probably because the tenders were based on running from Haslingden.

The statement, unless I'm missing something else, doesn't claim that Transdev have saved them or that it's amazing. They clearly state, TWICE, that the council have been involved and that they've worked with council. That would seem to be sensible...

Not wishing to indulge in "whataboutery" but IME, Transdev may not be amazing or perfect but they're better than a lot of operators. Recent trips (albeit in West Yorkshire) with a comparison between 14/15 yr old B7RLE/Wright Eclipses with Transdev (very good), Arriva (decent), First (very tired) just emphasise that.

Jeez...could be a lot worse. Perhaps you'd prefer Diamond.....
 
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This is rather churlish now. You don't like Transdev or their Amazing brand - we get it!

Unless I'm missing something, Transdev pulled the plug as they were losing money, probably because the tenders were based on running from Haslingden.

The statement, unless I'm missing something else, doesn't claim that Transdev have saved them or that it's amazing. They clearly state, TWICE, that the council have been involved and that they've worked with council. That would seem to be sensible...

Not wishing to indulge in "whataboutery" but IME, Transdev may not be amazing or perfect but they're better than a lot of operators. Recent trips (albeit in West Yorkshire) with a comparison between 14/15 yr old B7RLE/Wright Eclipses with Transdev (very good), Arriva (decent), First (very tired) just emphasise that.

Jeez...could be a lot worse. Perhaps you'd prefer Diamond.....
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I don't not like Transdev, I just have a slight dislike for the CEO...
I've actually been praising Transdev on a certain other forum, who seem to be against private operators, over the way they've managed to transform a failing publicly owned operator since it's gone into private ownership..
 
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I don't not like Transdev, I just have a slight dislike for the CEO...
I've actually been praising Transdev on a certain other forum, who seem to be against private operators, over the way they've managed to transform a failing publicly owned operator since it's gone into private ownership..
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I don't know Alex Hornby - what's he done to you?
 
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TheGrandWazoo said:
This is rather churlish now. You don't like Transdev or their Amazing brand - we get it!

Unless I'm missing something, Transdev pulled the plug as they were losing money, probably because the tenders were based on running from Haslingden.

The statement, unless I'm missing something else, doesn't claim that Transdev have saved them or that it's amazing. They clearly state, TWICE, that the council have been involved and that they've worked with council. That would seem to be sensible...

Not wishing to indulge in "whataboutery" but IME, Transdev may not be amazing or perfect but they're better than a lot of operators. Recent trips (albeit in West Yorkshire) with a comparison between 14/15 yr old B7RLE/Wright Eclipses with Transdev (very good), Arriva (decent), First (very tired) just emphasise that.

Jeez...could be a lot worse. Perhaps you'd prefer Diamond.....
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Que?! I was pointing out at Transdev have retained the services (as mentioned in their 'Amazing News' newsletter, shared on Alex Hornby's Twitter if you want a read), although they're registered as B&P routes now. More than likely still going to be running Rosso branded vehicles, although the BFC branded Dart was bumbling around Rawtenstall today.

I still don't quite understand why Rochdales routes have been re-registered as B&P routes either. Someone suggested 'one less set of accounts' to do, but if thats the case, why not just have Transdev Lancashire and Transdev Yorkshire and everything else as a brand?
 
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RustySpoons said:
Que?! I was pointing out at Transdev have retained the services (as mentioned in their 'Amazing News' newsletter, shared on Alex Hornby's Twitter if you want a read), although they're registered as B&P routes now. More than likely still going to be running Rosso branded vehicles, although the BFC branded Dart was bumbling around Rawtenstall today.

I still don't quite understand why Rochdales routes have been re-registered as B&P routes either. Someone suggested 'one less set of accounts' to do, but if thats the case, why not just have Transdev Lancashire and Transdev Yorkshire and everything else as a brand?
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He was replying to alexbus12 who’s sole contribution to this thread seems to be post a sarcastic ‘#amazing’ every few days.

Looking at the revised services and comparing to both the current service and the previous ones before the 7/8 was introduced, the main downside to the revised services is that some people will need to change buses in Bacup onto the 464, particularly Pennine Road passengers and those from Todmorden.
 
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