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trebor79

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Almost every NR employee I've seen is dressed head to foot in orange overalls, safety boots etc.
This morning at my local station, there were 2 casually dressed young lads. No saftey boots. One had a generic yellow hi viz vest, the other an orange one with a hand drawn NR logo on the back.
They had some sheets of paper and were wandering around the platforms and over the level crossing.
The one on the orange vest seemed to have some kind of learning difficulties from his behaviour and way he spoke. He also looked left and right when going over the crossing, as though he expected a train might appear when the barriers were open.
He also walked down the platform edge for no particular reason, then bollocked a bloke for standing a bit over the yellow line.
Some people ran across the level crossing when the warble came on but before the barriers came down and he started telling at them from the platform, way too far away for them to hear.
He then got into conversation with another passenger, who was asking for train running info. "I don't work for the train company, I work for Network Rail what owns the tracks".
Finally, as we departed I observed him running alongside the train making curious gestures.

I've tweeted NR about it but wonder whether I should have done anything else?
I'm pretty sure they weren't NR employees, but 2 of societies less fortunate individuals playing out some kind of fantasy.
 
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He also looked left and right when going over the crossing, as though he expected a train might appear when the barriers were open
Whatever else may be right or wrong about the situation described, this is good practice. The track safety course teaches never to rely on barrier position to determine whether a train is coming (they may just have broken, for example).
 

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To update, NR asked me via PM for name and number, and one of their local managers called me.
He was certain they weren't NR employees and was going to despatch someone to the station to ensure all was well.

When I first started writing my post, I was going to ask if it was common to see NR employees dressed like this, but it sort of segued into what I ended up posting.

Quite impressed with the NR response to a Twitter message.
 
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NR will have informed BTP if appropriate, so no need to do so now. But worth remembering for the future, especially in the light of events at London Bridge this afternoon.
 

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They definitely weren't terrorists. I was more concerned for their own safety, either doing something daft of getting lamped by someone for saying something daft.
Two of several odd characters I've come across on the railway this week.
 

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Definitely the right thing to do to report it.

If they were employees then they weren't portraying a good image of the company so it should be investigated.

Equally if they are not employees but are impersonating staff then that definitely should be investigated. If there are other reports then a pattern can be built up and sooner or later they will be identified.
 

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I saw a young lad at one of the suburban GWR stations (maybe Langley or Iver) the other week 'dispatching' trains from the UR platform with a brolly :lol:
 

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I saw a young lad at one of the suburban GWR stations (maybe Langley or Iver) the other week 'dispatching' trains from the UR platform with a brolly :lol:
I was dispatched by a 7 year old with a dispatch baton made out of tinfoil once. He was wearing an old fashioned GWR station master's cap. I played along and to be fair to him he knew the dispatch procedure to a tee and was able to execute it perfectly. Hopefully he will have a fruitful career on the railway when he grows up.
 

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This is one of the main reasons why we bought a process in for disposing of spent PPE.

Anyone can find a NWR hi-viz in a bin or skip and wear it. A few years ago I caught one wandering around the infrastructure wearing a NWR fleece but no orange trousers so. Knew he wasn’t an employee, his camera with a lens the size of a wheelie bin was the giveaway.

As a result of this type of occurrence, all PPE has to be taken away by an appo8ted company and thoroughly destroyed or recycled if possible.
 

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Wouldn’t this be a BTP issue rather than NR issue?

I suppose the op could have copied btp in on the tweet, but in a lot of places the NR MOM could probably respond quicker than btp.

I'm sure the MOM would give them a good talk to if they were just being naive and misguided. I'm sure the MOM would also involve BTP asap if they thought the impersonation was going to continue or pose a potential risk.

Well done to the op for reporting it, but does all sound very bizarre behaviour.
 

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Almost every NR employee I've seen is dressed head to foot in orange overalls, safety boots etc.
This morning at my local station, there were 2 casually dressed young lads. No saftey boots. One had a generic yellow hi viz vest, the other an orange one with a hand drawn NR logo on the back.
They had some sheets of paper and were wandering around the platforms and over the level crossing.
The one on the orange vest seemed to have some kind of learning difficulties from his behaviour and way he spoke. He also looked left and right when going over the crossing, as though he expected a train might appear when the barriers were open.
He also walked down the platform edge for no particular reason, then bollocked a bloke for standing a bit over the yellow line.
Some people ran across the level crossing when the warble came on but before the barriers came down and he started telling at them from the platform, way too far away for them to hear.
He then got into conversation with another passenger, who was asking for train running info. "I don't work for the train company, I work for Network Rail what owns the tracks".
Finally, as we departed I observed him running alongside the train making curious gestures.

I've tweeted NR about it but wonder whether I should have done anything else?
I'm pretty sure they weren't NR employees, but 2 of societies less fortunate individuals playing out some kind of fantasy.

Was it a staffed station? If so any NR personnel there on official business would have to have signed in.
 

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Is there a specific offence of 'Impersonating Railway staff' or similar?

Not sure, but guess there must be something on the books to deal with people impersonating people who work in safety critical roles.

Probably the only time I've heard of an offence , is 'impersonating a police officer' but I do recall someone was charged with after being found out to be a bogus paramedic and attending incidents.
 

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This is one of the main reasons why we bought a process in for disposing of spent PPE.

Anyone can find a NWR hi-viz in a bin or skip and wear it. A few years ago I caught one wandering around the infrastructure wearing a NWR fleece but no orange trousers so. Knew he wasn’t an employee, his camera with a lens the size of a wheelie bin was the giveaway.

As a result of this type of occurrence, all PPE has to be taken away by an appo8ted company and thoroughly destroyed or recycled if possible.

Another issue which results by NRs reliance on sub contractors agency staff which doesn't help is that logs of staff who are authorised to be in the track for a variety of roles will be wearing HV (albeit full Hv) with no reference not NR on, but the company they work for.

On stations, some TOCs seem to be trying to use every colour variety of HV , used to denote different roles, then add in passengers wearing HV coming to and from work, it's hard sometimes, even as a TOC employee to know who is legit.

On SWR land as from Monday , no doubt every contingency guard will be in a suit , with a HV best being the only means of knowing if they work for the railway, can't recall if they have name badges to wear or not.....
 

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I suppose the op could have copied btp in on the tweet, but in a lot of places the NR MOM could probably respond quicker than btp.

Was it a staffed station? If so any NR personnel there on official business would have to have signed in.
It was at Attleborough, it's unstaffed and I can't imagine the BTP would attend very quickly. I also didn't think it warranted police attention. If they'd been wandering on the track I would have taken a different course of action.
I believe the NR MOM intended to go and check, though by that time they'll have been long gone I suppose.
Still, at least NR are aware and I guess if there are further issues they can escalate any response as necessary.
 
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Yellow HV PPE for anyone track side is a dead give away to be honest.
 

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The other day I was at a station where a toddler in a push chair (out to watch trains with [presumably] their dad) was able to parrot the entire "see it, say it, sorted" speil. No doubt trying to impersonate an official announcer. No HV PPE involved, of course.
 

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It was at Attleborough, it's unstaffed and I can't imagine the BTP would attend very quickly. I also didn't think it warranted police attention. If they'd been wandering on the track I would have taken a different course of action.
I believe the NR MOM intended to go and check, though by that time they'll have been long gone I suppose.
Still, at least NR are aware and I guess if there are further issues they can escalate any response as necessary.
In Scotland I think that all or nearly all stations have CCTV monitored from a central location. Is this not the case with unmanned stations down South?
 

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Almost every NR employee I've seen is dressed head to foot in orange overalls, safety boots etc.
This morning at my local station, there were 2 casually dressed young lads. No saftey boots. One had a generic yellow hi viz vest, the other an orange one with a hand drawn NR logo on the back.
They had some sheets of paper and were wandering around the platforms and over the level crossing.
The one on the orange vest seemed to have some kind of learning difficulties from his behaviour and way he spoke. He also looked left and right when going over the crossing, as though he expected a train might appear when the barriers were open.
He also walked down the platform edge for no particular reason, then bollocked a bloke for standing a bit over the yellow line.
Some people ran across the level crossing when the warble came on but before the barriers came down and he started telling at them from the platform, way too far away for them to hear.
He then got into conversation with another passenger, who was asking for train running info. "I don't work for the train company, I work for Network Rail what owns the tracks".
Finally, as we departed I observed him running alongside the train making curious gestures.

I've tweeted NR about it but wonder whether I should have done anything else?
I'm pretty sure they weren't NR employees, but 2 of societies less fortunate individuals playing out some kind of fantasy.

Spotters...sorry 'enthusiasts ' pretending to be staff? I've seen that before...

Sounds like utterly bizarre behaviour which you were right to report.

Enthusiasts have certainly been known to dress up in uniform/high vis, blow whistles on platforms and generally make a nuisance of themselves. For some reason they often have a penchant for stroppily ordering ordering passengers around.

I try not to be too judgemental because many of these people obviously suffer from learning difficulties, but it is quite unacceptable for them to impersonate rail staff members.

Apart from the obvious safety risks, genuine staff members my find themselves in hot water if their behaviour triggers complaints that “staff member at x station was rude to me” etc.
 
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It sounds suspisious to me from what you have said.
A NR employee would there there with a purpose and would know what he is doing.
By what you have said the only two things he didnt do that were odd was look before crossing the line and telling the passenger he doesnt know the train times.
 

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In Scotland I think that all or nearly all stations have CCTV monitored from a central location. Is this not the case with unmanned stations down South?
Not sure actually. I don't think there is CCTV at this particular station.
Whatever else may be right or wrong about the situation described, this is good practice. The track safety course teaches never to rely on barrier position to determine whether a train is coming (they may just have broken, for example).
Really? It's full barriers with obstacle detection and presumably the protecting signals are interlocked and won't clear until the barriers are confirmed down and the crossing confirmed clear. A whole heap of stuff would have to go wrong for a train to hurtle through with the barriers up.
Otherwise the thousands of people driving and walking over it every day are in danger?
I can see the situation might be different for an automatic half-barrier, but even so they are deemed safe enough for the masses to use without being expected to check it's safe to cross if the barriers are up and lights off.
 

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Really? It's full barriers with obstacle detection and presumably the protecting signals are interlocked and won't clear until the barriers are confirmed down and the crossing confirmed clear.

For most NR/TOC workers it becomes a deeply ingrained instinct to look right and left whenever you cross the lines - irrespective of whether it’s a running line, a depot siding with no train in it, or an open level crossing.

I’d agree with the previous poster, that’s the only part of the behaviour that didn’t seem weird.
 
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