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Brissle Girl

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Mind you, as they have done in london and cardiff, they could always just use attachments pinned directly to the underside of the existing bridge. I have seen this both oustide cardiff central & at London paddington, with both stations having bridges that would be too costly to replace.
I wasn’t aware of the London one, but the solution used outside Cardiff must be a way forward to reduce the cost of further electrification by eliminating the need to demolish very difficult bridges.
 
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Whe it comes to the bridge at Lawrence hill, would it not be easier, cheaper & ultimately quicker to lower the track? As ultimately it takes up to a year to remove and raise a bridge to the required height for powered cables. Mind you, as they have done in london and cardiff, they could always just use attachments pinned directly to the underside of the existing bridge. I have seen this both oustide cardiff central & at London paddington, with both stations having bridges that would be too costly to replace.

I don’t know the area, but looking on street view the bridge is right next to Lawrence Hill station, is that the right one?
If you lowered the track there, you’d presumably have to rebuild the station as the platforms would now be too high relative to the track. Not sure that’s going to be much cheaper than rebuilding a bridge.
The other usual issue with track lowering is whether there’s anything underneath that you’re going to hit if you dig down or if it makes it more prone to flooding being lower.
 

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I wasn’t aware of the London one, but the solution used outside Cardiff must be a way forward to reduce the cost of further electrification by eliminating the need to demolish very difficult bridges.

I don’t know the area, but looking on street view the bridge is right next to Lawrence Hill station, is that the right one?
If you lowered the track there, you’d presumably have to rebuild the station as the platforms would now be too high relative to the track. Not sure that’s going to be much cheaper than rebuilding a bridge.
The other usual issue with track lowering is whether there’s anything underneath that you’re going to hit if you dig down or if it makes it more prone to flooding being lower.
Like so many things the answer is probably "it depends". When the Filton Bank electrification was being developed the solution now adopted in Cardiff didn't exist, so probably nobody considered it as an option. If the scheme now went ahead then I imagine someone would investigate whether it was possible at all on this site, and if so whether it was cheaper than any of the other options.
 

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As far as I can remember there's a main sewer underneath the bridge and it's possible the buildings on either side are part of the structure. There is a water problem there which came to light during the 4 tracking.
 

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Like so many things the answer is probably "it depends". When the Filton Bank electrification was being developed the solution now adopted in Cardiff didn't exist, so probably nobody considered it as an option. If the scheme now went ahead then I imagine someone would investigate whether it was possible at all on this site, and if so whether it was cheaper than any of the other options.

Really? From 2010:

https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/southampton-tunnel-works-finished-a-year-early

As part of a £71m project designed to remove up to 50,000 lorries a year from the region’s roads and provide a cheaper, quicker and more practical way of transporting goods around the country, Network Rail has successfully lowered both tracks through Southampton Tunnel more than a year ahead of schedul.

As such the option to lower track had been around for some time.
 

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Lawrence Hill station road bridge is approached both sides by a rise in the road, as with a hump backed bridge. Raising its level would thus need a steeper hump approach each side of it; perhaps not a huge increase though.
 

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How many Bristol-Pad trains are to be scheduled to go via Parkway in the future?If only two an hour(plus some empty stock) it is hard to justify four track wiring +a bridge rebuild,until X country get hybrids.Other wiring extensions on 2 track GWR lines better value
 

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Lawrence Hill station road bridge is approached both sides by a rise in the road, as with a hump backed bridge. Raising its level would thus need a steeper hump approach each side of it; perhaps not a huge increase though.
Might be able to slightly hump the actual bridge to give a bit more room over the wires?
How much thinner can you make a modern bridge decking?
 

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Lawrence Hill road bridge is not a small item! See below from street view:
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View from east, with the up (southbound) station entrance mid-right.
 

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Really? From 2010:

https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/southampton-tunnel-works-finished-a-year-early

As such the option to lower track had been around for some time.

Yes, but applied in appropriate, individual cases. There are cases on the GWML where it was possible to do this with some bridges and others where it wasn't and replacement was the only option (also with the gauge clearance work to Southampton for 9ft 6in containers on standard flat wagons).

Network Rail made presentations at community events in Bristol in 2016 about the Filton Bank re-quadrupling project and said at the time that the method to be used at Lawrence Hill to allow for electrification would be to increase the height of the bridge.
 

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On the plus side the current hump doesn’t look too serious so could accept growing without causing too many issues.
 

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Presumably the newly relaid (main?) lines without platforms have adequate height.

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How many Bristol-Pad trains are to be scheduled to go via Parkway in the future?If only two an hour(plus some empty stock) it is hard to justify four track wiring +a bridge rebuild,until X country get hybrids.Other wiring extensions on 2 track GWR lines better value
That would not be very good 'future proofing'. One can easily foresee local services becoming bi-mode and also XC services plus regional ones too.
 

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Platform4 and approaches,now wired at Cardiff Central.All trunking conduits in place East of central.
 

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Not knowing much about electricity beyondA level physics(along time ago!!),what extra benefits are there in having theSevern tunnel in a stand alone section, other than being a short section without power should anything go bang? I note from Dec15 trains will still be diesel between S.T.J and Pilning.
 

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Not knowing much about electricity beyondA level physics(along time ago!!),what extra benefits are there in having theSevern tunnel in a stand alone section, other than being a short section without power should anything go bang? I note from Dec15 trains will still be diesel between S.T.J and Pilning.
Noel Dolphyn of F & F seemed to be implying that the tunnel section under the river was working /energised, but just needed testing - is that not so??
 
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Railway Magazine suggests IET’s running to Newport (on electric I assume)”first week in January”,”toCardiff soon afterwards”.
 

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Not knowing much about electricity beyondA level physics(along time ago!!),what extra benefits are there in having theSevern tunnel in a stand alone section, other than being a short section without power should anything go bang? I note from Dec15 trains will still be diesel between S.T.J and Pilning.
AIUI, it’s still supplied along the line of route from one of only two possible grid supply sources, either primarily from near Cardiff, or alternatively from Thingley Jn, near Melksham. To me, shortening the distance between sectioning switchgear doesn’t necessarily make an area ‘stand alone’, electrically speaking. Wouldn’t a Significant tunnel installation normally be capable of isolation at either end anyway?
 

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I guess if there is a problem with the equipment in the Tunnel they can isolate both ends and the 800s can go through on diesel power. But I don't think they can power it up with the sections either end dead, as there is no "extension lead" to bring the power all the way from the rather distant feeders so it has to go through the OLE itself.
 

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There’s a feeder at St Brides on the Welsh side, the tunnel will remain dead until at least March 2020.
 

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I guess if there is a problem with the equipment in the Tunnel they can isolate both ends and the 800s can go through on diesel power. But I don't think they can power it up with the sections either end dead, as there is no "extension lead" to bring the power all the way from the rather distant feeders so it has to go through the OLE itself.
That would be my understanding. In other words it can only be isolated on a ‘stand alone’ basis...
 
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