That'll get a set to Inverness for tomorrow's service, but any passengers wanting to get there are by the sounds of it still sitting in York.
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Severe overhead wire damage near York 02/12
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That'll get a set to Inverness for tomorrow's service, but any passengers wanting to get there are by the sounds of it still sitting in York.
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HST just left Newcastle at 17:05 for Inverness. Power car 43316 at rear with set EC51 if that helps anyone identify where that set was earlier
Thanks for that - am booked on 0755 in the morning, was dreading the thought of a bus replacement to Edinburgh.
Thanks for that - am booked on 0755 in the morning, was dreading the thought of a bus replacement to Edinburgh.
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MK4 set with 91113 in Newcastle Platform 3 looks to be doing the 17:52 to Stirling tonight so could be another 91 in Stirling again.
How does it being declared a failure link to emergency services' presence?
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Currently on the 14:00 from London KX currently held at Doncaster, it is a bi mode Azuma, train manager has informed passengers that the train should be able to proceed from York on Diesel north to Aberdeen, this will be interesting!
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Just reporting what the conductor said.
I don’t know how badly LNER have been effected. How well have they run a service on the route south of the problem (Leeds and York to London)? XC have a better excuse due to the length of their routes.
My main problem with TPE is how long it takes for them to recover from problems. Two rush hour trains in a row eastbound from Victoria have just been cancelled because of this. The incident was over 3 hours ago. If things are being turned around at York could they not have evened out their timetable, maybe double up trains and run a reduced frequency but with the same capacity. Maybe I am taking things off topic with a more general disruption discussion.
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Well the entire ECML is closed between York and Darlington, so staffing really isn't the issue today, not being able to run trains north of York is. There's really no way around this disruption other than organise buses until the route is open again, which is easier said than done mid afternoon and into the evening.
Take a look at the pictures in the thread, the wires were down & nothing was able to move save the rescued services that were caught up. As someone has said, there may be up to three miles of overhead wire damage. That will take time to resolve, and that is not the remit of TPE or any other operator.
Correct - all sat looking miserable on the train still at 1700 when I left York
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Moving now on Diesel to York, I think on the Selby diversion, managing 116 mph max. Gonna be a tad slower.
I understand why there is no service north of York, what I am questioning is why this then has to effect the rest of their network for so long. They don’t seem willing to vary their timetable to ensure a minimum level of service they just out right cancel whole diagrams. Trains will be stuck at both sides of the disruption so use them to run the best service possible.
Bantamzen
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Disruption as serve as this afternoon's will have knock-on effects up and down the network. It isn't always as simple as turning them back sooner, crews & units will be out of position, paths will be difficult to organise at short notice with Network Rail, even just getting services into major stations like Leeds & York when multiple services are being cancelled short. Trains are not buses, they can't so easily be sent the other way on the first sign of problems. I'm not employed by the railways, but years on these forums has taught me it is way more complex than the public will ever know.
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Both Fast lines are now open for diesel trains.
In know, I’m mostly just annoyed about another massive disruption to my and many other people’s lives yet again. Transpennine and Northern’s performance has been bad enough recently, add in major infrastructure problems and it is becoming unbearable.
They should be on the move now, about six hours late (which won't show anywhere because the original service was cancelled), but the last connection north of Perth will be long gone when they eventually reach Edinburgh.
Bantamzen
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Well I'm afraid this is just one of those things, neither TPE or Northern can be blamed. They will try to get services back into position wherever possible by turning them short at places like Leeds, but capacity along the whole of the North TP route is at a premium, and they can only do it where crews can be rostered to do so.
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That lead hanging down on the Twitter photo (post #30) should be connected to the insulator that’s hanging vertically against the stanchion. If anything on the head span snaps like that the contact wires can move sideways.
Glenn1969
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RTT shows the Inverness train as having been started at Newcastle and ETA at Inverness is 2205
Martijn Gilbert, MD Go North East & East Yorkshire Buses, was on the train and tweeted a photo of the 67 at KGX:
https://twitter.com/MartijnGNE/status/1201583736304865281
Even if TPE terminated all their trains early at York, where will they put them? XC, GC, Northern and LNER all have trains terminating there so platform space is at a premium, plus Leeds isn't suitable given how busy it is. That's before you get into the issues of crew diagrams, trains being displaces, crew being displaced, congestion due to the incident etc
Looking at RTT they seem to have managed to run about hourly North from Newcastle, not so well South from York, and a full service on the Leeds route.
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I am now on 1A48 having driven from Darlington to Doncaster as I really need to be in London at 0800 tomorrow.
This train is virtually empty, in the south end anyway, additional stops Retford Newark Grantham and Stevenage because of disruption. The acceleration in the Azuma seems good, even if it is a rough ride.
One of the crew said it was reported there were 1 000 people waiting for buses at York.
Having been caught In last week’s WC line damage (fortunately in time to go to Glasgow vis York) I am awaiting the third.
This train is virtually empty, in the south end anyway, additional stops Retford Newark Grantham and Stevenage because of disruption. The acceleration in the Azuma seems good, even if it is a rough ride.
One of the crew said it was reported there were 1 000 people waiting for buses at York.
Having been caught In last week’s WC line damage (fortunately in time to go to Glasgow vis York) I am awaiting the third.
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I noticed this on LNER's JourneyCheck - I take it the London to Inverness service leaving just over 2 hours later from Newcastle was so that passengers on the 12:00 from London can get there? Fantastic I say
!1Y32 is the 12:25 Newcastle to London I'm assuming? I know a 3 to 4 hour delay is big but that could have been a lot lot worse.
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I noticed this on LNER's JourneyCheck - I take it the London to Inverness service leaving just over 2 hours later from Newcastle was so that passengers on the 12:00 from London can get there? Fantastic I say
1Y32 is the 12:25 Newcastle to London I'm assuming? I know a 3 to 4 hour delay is big but that could have been a lot lot worse.
I'm glad I don't use the LNER IC225's - I bet LNER will be glad to have these gone!
No. The passengers on the 1200 from London were still sat on the train in York at 1700.
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This is the sort of train announcement you don't want to have to listen to.
BUT if you are going to have to listen to that sort of announcement, then this guy should do it. He was excellent.
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People keep saying that OLE is much more reliable than third rail, but why do we so rarely seem to hear about similarly disruptive incidents on the Southern? It must be because when something does happen to the third rail, there are so much fewer services to be disrupted........
I don't think anyone says that because that's not where the advantage in OHLE versus 3rd rail is (well apart from maybe with snow and ice)?
Surely there are far more services on third rail than on OHLE? All of southern, south eastern and south western run on third rail, as do Thameslink south of the river, and merseyrail.
These tocs between them must surely account for the majority of train movements uk wide.
The juice rail is more robust than OHLE, but is prone to problems with ice and snow. OHLE on the other hand is more prone to wind damage, objects becoming snared in it etc.
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