Northern Pacer Withdrawals - Info?

WVL14 · 2 Dec 2019

Already at Heaton are:
142009 Last use 18-10;
142015 Last use 17-11;
142030 arrived 27-11; off 1749 Leeds to York
142050 Last use 10-10:
142063 arrived 1-12; off 2127 Darlington to Middlesbrough
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Ending there tonight are:
142014 off 1713 Gateshead Metro Centre to Stockton
142020 off 2217 Middlesbrough to Darlington
142032 off 2047 Saltburn to Middlesbrough
142038 off 2244 Saltburn to Darlington
142078 off 2300 Gateshead to Newcastle
142091 off 2217 Middlesbrough to Darlington
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Hope that helps.
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simon7929 · 3 Dec 2019

Looks like number 20/32/8 and 91 are in service around Teesside this morning.

amwells · 3 Dec 2019

Is there any way to see these from a legal viewing point? Thinking about making the trip on Saturday and would appreciate any local knowledge!

Steamie Boxes · 3 Dec 2019

amwells said:
Is there any way to see these from a legal viewing point? Thinking about making the trip on Saturday and would appreciate any local knowledge!

If you mean Heaton depot, you can see it from the Metro Station bridge at Chillingham Road (I think that's how it is spelt)

amwells · 3 Dec 2019

Steamie Boxes said:
If you mean Heaton depot, you can see it from the Metro Station bridge at Chillingham Road (I think that's how it is spelt)

thank you, much appreciated!

trainmananthon · 3 Dec 2019

142005 being loaded onto an Allelleys low loaded about 11am today for onwards transportation to booths, according to 'The Pacer Group' on Facebook.

Mr Manager · 3 Dec 2019

Yep. Should be parked outside ours tonight for unloading first thing.

Kingspanner · 3 Dec 2019

trainmananthon said:
142005 being loaded onto an Allelleys low loaded about 11am today for onwards transportation to booths, according to 'The Pacer Group' on Facebook.

There's no way back from that!

John Taylor · 3 Dec 2019

simon7929 said:
Looks like number 20/32/8 and 91 are in service around Teesside this morning.

Which services are they on today?

Winthorpe · 3 Dec 2019

There is an item on the Northern media website about the first pacers being handed back on Angel Trains.

Full link https://media.northernrailway.co.uk/news/first-pacers-leave-northern

simon7929 · 3 Dec 2019

John Taylor said:
Which services are they on today?

142020/32/8 are on Saltburn to Bishop Auckland runs

142091 is on Saltburn to Darlington

142078 is spare and is currently sat in the sidings at Middlesbrough.

superkev · 3 Dec 2019

Lewis Tickle said:
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O65382/2019-12-03/detailed
Tomorrow at 10:41

Doesn't look like the Pacers to Workshop is running today.
Later or tomorrow perhaps.
K

507021 · 3 Dec 2019

A post on Facebook reports 142005 has gone for scrap, with 142044 due to follow.

Green tractor · 3 Dec 2019

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10221401917260833&set=p.10221401917260833&type=3&theater (not my pic)

33017 · 3 Dec 2019

Green tractor said:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10221401917260833&set=p.10221401917260833&type=3&theater (not my pic)

I'm surprised it's worth their while roading that. Can't be a lot of profit in the move given the price of scrap versus the weight of a pacer and cost of a low-loader.

Brissle Girl · 3 Dec 2019

33017 said:
I'm surprised it's worth their while roading that. Can't be a lot of profit in the move given the price of scrap versus the weight of a pacer and cost of a low-loader.

It has to be disposed of somehow though doesn’t it, as do all the Pacers, no matter how little they are worth for scrap once costs of disposal are taken into account.

Bertie the bus · 3 Dec 2019

Winthorpe said:
There is an item on the Northern media website about the first pacers being handed back on Angel Trains.

Full link https://media.northernrailway.co.uk/news/first-pacers-leave-northern

I gave up counting after 6 inaccuracies/untruths in that article.

91108 · 3 Dec 2019

33017 said:
I'm surprised it's worth their while roading that. Can't be a lot of profit in the move given the price of scrap versus the weight of a pacer and cost of a low-loader.

Probably worth a surprising amount. It’ll weigh 20+ tonnes with a reasonable amount of aluminium, copper, brass, bronze and decent quality steel. The scrap dealers have bought them so there must be some profit in it.
After 34 years and 3 million odd miles it has paid for itself many times over.

YorksDMU · 3 Dec 2019

There’s a move, on RTT, from Heaton to Worksop on Thursday. Here’s the link:

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K05547/2019-12-05/detailed

superkev · 3 Dec 2019

91108 said:
Probably worth a surprising amount. It’ll weigh 20+ tonnes with a reasonable amount of aluminium, copper, brass, bronze and decent quality steel. The scrap dealers have bought them so there must be some profit in it.
After 34 years and 3 million odd miles it has paid for itself many times over.

I believe the Leyland national body is all steel so not much Aluminium there. The 144s are at least aluminium panelled.
K

johntea · 4 Dec 2019

Green tractor said:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10221401917260833&set=p.10221401917260833&type=3&theater (not my pic)

Looking at that picture, they could operate for many more years to come as rail replacement buses!

33017 · 4 Dec 2019

Brissle Girl said:
It has to be disposed of somehow though doesn’t it, as do all the Pacers, no matter how little they are worth for scrap once costs of disposal are taken into account.

Yes, but low value vehicles that couldn’t be moved by rail were usually cut on site to save costs.

Brissle Girl · 4 Dec 2019

33017 said:
Yes, but low value vehicles that couldn’t be moved by rail were usually cut on site to save costs.

I suspect that these days there is a lot more specialist recycling of parts that goes on, for environmental as well as sustainability reasons. Though that is just a theory I’ll admit.

Mr Manager · 4 Dec 2019

Already being broken. 5x Ecml first class coaches arriving today. More pacers Thurs/Fri.

started on being broken up. Today 5x Ecml 1st class coaches arriving. more pacers Thursday/Friday

Redtyke · 4 Dec 2019

Mr Manager said:
Already being broken. 5x Ecml first class coaches arriving today. More pacers Thurs/Fri.View attachment 71131 started on being broken up. Today 5x Ecml 1st class coaches arriving. more pacers Thursday/Friday

Do the 1st class coaches come with the seats still in place?

Mr Manager · 4 Dec 2019

Yes. But booths are not allowed to resell anything from the Mk4's

Mr Manager · 4 Dec 2019

Driving trailer part of 142005 just arrived here. 13.00 hrs.

amwells · 4 Dec 2019

Mr Manager said:
Driving trailer part of 142005 just arrived here. 13.00 hrs.

Is there any chance that 142005 will still exist by the weekend?

Mr Manager · 4 Dec 2019

amwells said:
Is there any chance that 142005 will still exist by the weekend?

Non powered trailer will prob be gone. Good headway being made on stripping it.

61653 HTAFC · 4 Dec 2019

Mr Manager said:
Non powered trailer will prob be gone. Good headway being made on stripping it.

Your workers will be in for a surprise*, as there are no non-powered trailer (a tautology) Class 142 vehicles.

*= that is, unless one of 005 already had the engine removed at Newton Heath.

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