I wasn’t really considering WLL terminating trains at Willesden, AIUI they already run through to Stratford in the peaks anyway? Presumably there’s a good capacity reason why they don't run all day?
I know, but the poster I had replied to was referring to the WLL trains that terminate at Willesden. Because they DO run through in the peaks, line headway must already allow for that - if there were paths free. The point though is that if there was capacity to run them through all day they’d more likely send them to Stratford than Barking.
In which case I’m out of date with my thoughts. But as said, I think we’re probably going off topic...
Its planned five, six from TT change and thats it for the foreseeable as per earlier posts.
As far as I’m aware this is just gossip and I haven’t seen any source regarding the change of plans? If not all the 4 car trains ordered for the Euston and Goblin lines are going to be used on those lines, where have they been diverted to?
I don’t think they’ve all been delivered yet, is the quick answer...
However that was increased to 18 a few years back to allow 8 for the DC, also extras for Barking Riverside, and AFAICT they’re all being delivered together...
2 for Riverside and 1 for Romford plus a maintenance/spare take them up nicely AFAIK.
The explanation TfL published was that the 710 that was originally going to run the Romfords was replaced by a retained 315, and was then a part of making 8 units available on the DC lines. I think it was worked out by someone earlier in this thread that one of the proposed AC units had to be delivered as dual voltage.
That involves finding ALL of the money for Bombardier to maintain, and someone to drive, a single 315 at Ilford, which GA franchise make 345/710/720 only, and needs a ridiculous turn of events.
Nonetheless it’s what TfL published and has been linked to earlier in this thread, as far as I know it’s the most recent TfL explanation of how the new fleet is deployed.
It’s hardly a full fleet plan, just waffle on the surface is what is reads as. One Romford unit still doesn’t change the Willesden side setup to 8 DC unless there is some miraculous availability planned.
It was explained as by ordering three “extra” units, and also transferring the already ordered Romford unit, it allowed for two extra for the DC, and the two for Barking Riverside.
The poster insistent on DC being all 710 imminently is still in for a long wait though.
I agree. But it still seems odd they’re taking so long to get the rest in service, if (as was assumed) most delays were to do with software?
My point is not that I expect the DC to be fully 710 imminently, I was just posting my observation to keep track of how many have entered service. Your point however was that you believe the DC will not be fully 710 at all under current plans.
You need a large amount of driver training down before even contemplating running one in service without causing major headaches as soon as there is disruption an driver change doesn't go to plan. See further back on this thread 7-8? weeks of lots of training on GOBLIN pre first unit.
My suggestion is that the medium term frequency improvements on the ELL/SLL cannot be started until infrastructure improvements allow, so there's no urgency to transfer the planned numbers of dual voltage 378s off the NLL/WLL/DC?
And the 378 overhaul programme