barrowjack
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Maybe, but far worse than the 185's we had on the Airport runs before!
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Northern Class 195: Construction/Introduction Updates
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Maybe, but far worse than the 185's we had on the Airport runs before!
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thejuggler
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Having had my first 331 trip today I have worked out where they went wrong with the 195, they fitted it with a diesel engine. No rattles, no squeaks, no bogie noises and bangs on the 331.
All the 331 needs now are the 333 upgraded seats and it would be just about perfect.
All the 331 needs now are the 333 upgraded seats and it would be just about perfect.
nicolaboo
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I don't know if this has been mentioned on here, but I saw this at Leeds on Monday.
195115 with the long number that didn't match its coach identifier.
Also coach 103 had 102115 on its carriage as spotted from the other side when leaving the station.
Is this correct or a mismatch?
195115 with the long number that didn't match its coach identifier.
Also coach 103 had 102115 on its carriage as spotted from the other side when leaving the station.
Is this correct or a mismatch?
themiller
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The long number is the EVN or European Vehicle Number and is a composite of several parts. The first 2 numbers are the type of vehicle. The second 2 are the country code. The next 7 are the vehicle number and the last one is a computer check number.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UIC_identification_marking_for_tractive_stock
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UIC_identification_marking_for_tractive_stock
Bletchleyite
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So it is an error then.
Does anyone else find it grates that the EVN isn't formatted correctly, i.e. 95-70-0101115-5?
Xenophon PCDGS
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Was that 195107 lurking about in bay platform 1 at Manchester Victoria station this afternoon?
It is indeed a mismatch.
195001 on its own on an MIA to Lime Street just now, I didn't even bother trying to get on at South Parkway. This is taking the Mick now. They used to be pairs of 156's, now we have less seats than a 142. Are they trying to put people off taking the train.
Grumpy Git
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I travelled back to LPY from MIA this morning. Just missed the 09.50, so caught the TPE Edinburgh service to get to Oxford Road, only to find the EMT from Norwich failed at Sheffield. The 10.46 MCO to LIV stopper was on time so caught that to LPY. It was fairly busy, but not rammed! It was a 142 + 156 and very draughty.
I dream of pairs of 156's these days. Ha ha .
themiller
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It's the EVN that's wrong! It should contain the group 102115 rather than 103115. The check digit may be wrong as well - I don't have time to do the calculation at the moment.
Grumpy Git
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The check digit is correct for the code as applied, but was calculated with the incorrect data.
Assuming the correct code is 102115, the check digit is 4, so the full code would be:
957001021154*
*This also assumes I understand the check digit algorithm!
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First eastbound trip today on a 195 from Manchester to Halifax, and just before arriving at Hebden Bridge there was an automated announcement that the train wouldn’t all fit in the platform and not all doors would open. It was a 3 carriage train and it fitted very comfortably. How can this happen?
Xenophon PCDGS
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That station has had its platforms lengthened in recent times.
superkev
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It happens all the time. Still problems with the ASDO system I believe. Perhaps they should switch it off and go back to the guard verifying the platform is there.
K
You’re correct. You can use a check digit calculator.
Xenophon PCDGS
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I must have lost count of the numerous TPE Class 185 journeys we have made over the years to Cleethorpes, Windermere, York and Durham from the Manchester area, many of these in First Class, all with seat reservations, and can honestly say we cannot recall a single problem journey in those days prior to making a few journeys in 2019 as a result of my good lady wife (now 78) being medically afflicted.
Halifax ian
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Hello everyone newbie here. I have only joined as a rail user I'm not an enthusiast although I was a coach builder working on C1 and Glossops etc at Horwich in the early eighties !!
So I'm here to ask what's wrong with these new Spanish trains used by Northern. Firstly the boogies make a loud clunk clunk and the brakes aren't linear they seem to take about 3 applications to stop then it's all of a sudden most disconcerting. So if someone can elaborate if these are known issues (Oh and they are noisey) then please let me know....
So I'm here to ask what's wrong with these new Spanish trains used by Northern. Firstly the boogies make a loud clunk clunk and the brakes aren't linear they seem to take about 3 applications to stop then it's all of a sudden most disconcerting. So if someone can elaborate if these are known issues (Oh and they are noisey) then please let me know....
Sleeperwaking
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If you search for Llama's posts in the thread, I think they have done a few excellent ones that describe the braking system in detail and also how drivers need to adapt their driving style to make some of the onboard systems work. Off the top, the 195s have a dynamic retarder which blends to pure pneumatic at low speeds. The ASDO system requires the units to be stopped in a very specific point on some (shorter) platforms, particularly at complex stations like Manchester Oxford Road, so there's a chance the repeated applications were from a driver trying to make sure they lined up.
In what way did you think they were noisy? Except for the bogie clunking.
That's right, the blending isn't very good and the noise referred to might be the squeal of the friction brakes - it doesn't happen at higher speeds such as when the dynamic brake is inhibited when the driver will usually do a running brake test - should be above about 40mph and at the first opportunity* after the start of a journey or after taking over a train.
*Subject to signalling, attainable speeds, gradients etc
*Subject to signalling, attainable speeds, gradients etc
Chris125
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Finally some good news: Northern are saying that "early completion of driver and crew training and the completion of compliance testing along the route" has allowed the early introduction of two 195s on Leeds-Nottingham and Sheffield-Lincoln services.
https://media.northernrailway.co.uk...hire-east-midlands-and-lincolnshire-customers
https://media.northernrailway.co.uk...hire-east-midlands-and-lincolnshire-customers
jfowkes
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Excellent, this is my journey to work. Time to see what the bike spaces are like...
ohgoditsjames
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How'd it go and are they only 2 car units?
jfowkes
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Still a 158 yesterday and this morning. Hopefully I'll get on one soon.
absolutelymilk
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On a 3-coach 195 operating the 09.47 from Piccadilly to Barrow and we arrived at Preston ten minutes early, despite the train being two minutes late setting off from the airport and waiting for a few minutes after being early at Wigan. Looks like the December timetable only takes a single minute off the wait here, will the may timetable significantly speed things up once all the 195s are in service?
superkev
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I think you will prefer the 158 (air con problems excepted) to the 195 particularly if your sat over the front bogie.
I hope CAF can ultimately sort out the poor ride.
K
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That one looks like it took advantage of a Wembley - Irvine freight not running, though no doubt the extra pace of a 195 was able to exploit it more than some other units would have been able to.
That journey also has 5.5 mins of allowances between Wigan and Preston. When all's well, it's common for the 195s to get into Wigan and Preston with a comfortable 5 mins in hand.
jfowkes
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Is there any way of telling whether a particular service is a 195?
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