Bletchleyite
Veteran Member
Japan also has 3+2 in Standard on most Shinkansen, First ("Green Class") is 2+2. They have a few select routes with Premium which is 2+1.
They do, but unlike the Chinese they don't have any actual Pendolinos.
Japan also has 3+2 in Standard on most Shinkansen, First ("Green Class") is 2+2. They have a few select routes with Premium which is 2+1.
They do, but unlike the Chinese they don't have any actual Pendolinos.
The question being though, what would happen if full catering wasn't available in full first class due to unforeseen issues? They'd have the same service as premium economy with nothing recouped?My prediction is one of the first class coaches will be given over to the new "premium standard". 2+1 seating with just tea/coffee/water given as freebies, maybe a snack box (similar to the old Weekend First offer) on certain flows.
Then at weekends, they can do away with having 1st class and just have premium standard & standard to reflect the reduced offer.
The question being though, what would happen if full catering wasn't available in full first class due to unforeseen issues? They'd have the same service as premium economy with nothing recouped?
But they can't now if no meal is available can they?Passengers will be able to claim a refund for the difference between First & Premium Economy
@canzograz said:okay but can you confirm if this is a real or fake picture of what the refurbished Pendolino interior will be
@AvantiWestCoast said:This is a fake photo ^HP
Yep, it was going to have 3+2 seating and be in the cab end vehicle. I believe it was going to be called "Virgin Value class".
Reminds me of scum class on the Top Gear caravan car episode!
Value class would sell like hot cakes no doubt if it existed. Anyway all booking systems would have to be reworked to be able to sell a third passenger class!
That said nobody will ever convince me of the need for First Class. Better to just have a train you get on and find a seat, (if you can).
Why? People want it. I travel regularly between Edinburgh and London, and if there's first class advances at decent prices, it's a no-brainer.
I don't think it really needs pointing out that the 3+2 photo is a hoax, however, for what it's worth, Avanti have confirmed it is fake.
Wrong I'm afraid. If First Class was declassified and no food service was provided then that's the case but if it's simply no food available the passenger would receive at least a 25% discount code off an Advance TicketPassengers will be able to claim a refund for the difference between First & Premium Economy
Anyway all booking systems would have to be reworked to be able to sell a third passenger class!
Or a possibility is First Class will be for 1st Anytime/Off Peak First/ 1st Season Ticket holders only & Advance 1st/Upgrades become the new Premium Class. Just as Eurostar is with Business & Standard Premier modelNot necessarily. Two of the classes could be bookable as normal with the 3rd available as an on train upgrade only.
Wrong I'm afraid. If First Class was declassified and no food service was provided then that's the case but if it's simply no food available the passenger would receive a discount code off a Advance Ticket equal to at least 25% of fare paid
Or a possibility is First Class will be for 1st Anytime/Off Peak First/ 1st Season Ticket holders only & Advance 1st/Upgrades become the new Premium Class. Just as Eurostar is with Business & Standard Premier model
Spot on. If the catering is the only differential between the two classes non-provision will not and cannot be excused and will be actionable.With the new class, that stance is unlikely to be defensible in Court. And First Class passengers are much more likely to have the readies to try a claim...
I think this is most likely, and interestingly is what VT did in the early days.
Japan also has 3+2 in Standard on most Shinkansen, First ("Green Class") is 2+2. They have a few select routes with Premium which is 2+1.
The key difference, of course, is that the width of, say, an N700 is 3.36m, as opposed to 2.73m for a 390.
The key difference, of course, is that the width of, say, an N700 is 3.36m, as opposed to 2.73m for a 390.
Of course, I was simply illustrating that it's not unheard of in InterCity trains. Obviously it's going to be be far too cramped to do it in a Pendolino comfortably.
Indeed - wasn't intending to imply anything, just pointing it out for reference. And, of course, there is proven popularity of cheap services with 3+2 (well, often 3+2 or half 3+2) seating on InterCity services on the WCML anyway, thanks to LNWR.