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WMR Class 196 Build and Implementation
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Bletchleyite
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I think the livery actually suits those units (unlike almost everything else) but the orange nose looks unfinished. If not going for yellow I'd have added some purple on the cab.
Bletchleyite
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The seats are FISA LEAN which have a cushion shaped almost identically to the Grammer E3000 "Desiro seat" and near identical in comfort. No armrests or gaps between, though, so it'll be a bit like the 2 side of a 350/2, sadly.
I’d put the orange on the gangway door too.
And here are two more pics. The unit is hauled by RailAdventure.
Jamesrob637
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They're 4 car which is an improvement regardless of the interior!
RealTrains07
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Looking good i have to say, bare in mind not all will be 4 car.
pretty much the 195/331s except the cab ends of different seats.
seat wise these should be alot better than the 195s.
i think the same seats will be on the 730s too right?
pretty much the 195/331s except the cab ends of different seats.
seat wise these should be alot better than the 195s.
i think the same seats will be on the 730s too right?
Clearly these units will be more useful than the 195 because they have corridor connections, but the other daft aspect of the 195 seems to me to be the mechanical gearboxes, rather than an electric drive - this would surely make an upgrade to OHLE/Hydrogen/battery power much more straightforward. Wikipedia doesn't tell me what the engine/drive spec is. Does anyone know?
I think it's identical for the 195s and 196s, similar to the 172s
From those pictures they do look suspiciously similar under the solebar, not that much can be seen behind the skirting around the 'powerpack' (hateful term) area, but it does have holes in around the same places for Adblue fillers and there seem to be fluid level gauges in about the same places too.
*Off-topic but they technically are...*
Well no. The motors are the same, the traction converters are the same, the transformers are the same, the bogies are the same, the traction control system is the same, etc., you got my point.
The Civity UK is available as an EMU and a DMMU (195, 196, 197). A DEMU variant would be possible and can be easily done, but doesn’t exist (yet), and this is the case for a DHMU variant too. The UK isn’t known to be a fan of DEMUs, for some reason, especially compared to other countries.
Ah, the big question. No one knows what will become of DMUs (in every variant, including BMUs and TMUs) in 20 years but there’ll be a significant difference between the theory and the practice. But converting all DMUs to EMUs would be very lengthy and expensive.
Yes, Voyagers are DEMUs, but 180s are DHMUs.
What I meant is that there’s not a lot of DEMUs in the UK, compared to DHMUs, and, on a narrower scale, DMMUs.
kje7812
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No, they have hydraulic transmission.
Are you saying that because of that diesel train deadline ?
Even more off-topic, but the Mitrac systems are very different as Electrostar Mark 2s (379s, 377/6/7s and 387s) have got a lot of features from Aventras (almost enough to make them almost Aventra Mark 0s).
The software may be different, but not the hardware. It’s the same old ABB equipment on a 357 as on a 387.
(Delving into new levels of off-topic) If you connected the two together though, they wouldn't talk to each other because of the technical bits in the Mitrac system.
(Super Off-topic 1000) Absolutely.
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What's a TMU?
the sniper
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Very short video of the first one testing, in the dark: https://www.birminghamupdates.com/video-first-glimpse-of-brand-new-west-midlands-railway-trains/