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As the 365s are being withdrawn from most services on Saturdays from next weekend, how many services do the 365s operate on Sundays? Do they operate any stoppers or just the fast services?

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365 Networker said:
As the 365s are being withdrawn from most services on Saturdays from next weekend, how many services do the 365s operate on Sundays? Do they operate any stoppers or just the fast services?

Many Thanks.
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Without double checking, from memory I don’t think the Sunday 365 diagrams are changing. So things should say as posted in the frequently requested diagrams.

Saturdays the 365s are replaced with the 12-car Horsham to Peterborough service. From memory I think there’s a couple of 365s out on the fast Peterborough services, but again I’d have to double check as I don’t have the paperwork in front of me ATM.

The weekday diagrams are essentially unchanged.
 
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365 Networker said:
As the 365s are being withdrawn from most services on Saturdays from next weekend, how many services do the 365s operate on Sundays? Do they operate any stoppers or just the fast services?

Many Thanks.
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On Sundays the only 365 workings from today are
1P21 1015 PBO-KGX
1P50 1755 KGX-PBO
1P54 1855 KGX-PBO

Both booked 2 x 365
 
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No, its a 700/0 TB454 diagram
Only the 3 trains I mentioned are 365 on a Sunday.
 
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Sorry for mentioning also, but I’m assuming the 0514 to Peterborough from KGX on Saturday is not a 365?
 
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Radley said:
Sorry for mentioning also, but I’m assuming the 0514 to Peterborough from KGX on Saturday is not a 365?
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There isn't a 0514 PBO-KGX on a Saturday (at least not according to RTT).

In the bigger scheme of things, there are now no booked 365 workings on a Saturday (save for maybe when there is engineering work and / or a revised timetable) and a small number on Sundays as per info given by Triumph a couple of posts previous, the other Sunday extras are pairs of 387's - the pair of 365's which work the 1755 ex KGX on a Sunday run up ECS from Peterborough Nene Sidings.

The extra PBO-KGX trains on a Saturday (0804 0904 1004 ex PBO and 1636 1736 1836 ex KGX) are booked pairs of 387's which then go on to the Kings Lynn / Ely circuit.

As a regular traveller to London at weekends the past months have been bliss having 4 pairs of 365's to choose from each Saturday, working throughout the day (when Great Northern actually bothered to run the trains) - now much less flexibility to avoid those cattle cart things.
 
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Dave91131 said:
In the bigger scheme of things, there are now no booked 365 workings
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I feared that was the case, although I knew it was bound to happen at some point. At least there are a large number of videos of them on YouTube! Maybe some 365 services will return if the rumours of off-lease 365s returning to Great Northern are true.
 
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Triumph said:
No, its a 700/0 TB454 diagram
Only the 3 trains I mentioned are 365 on a Sunday.
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Just noticed this. Seems a slightly odd way of doing things, these workings on Saturday afternoon and Sunday morning now give some 700/0 workings from/to Peterborough, and a return trip to Horsham is now 700/0.

Arlesey and Sandy still hang in there with two late-night 1x387 services on a Sunday evening. Otherwise they are all 700. No 365s booked at all.

Hitchin still sees a few 387 services at various times on Sundays, plus for the rest of the week the 0032 KX to Cambridge, which now seems to be 1x387 on Saturdays. Plenty of 365 activity at Hitchin on the Baldock services.
 
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Dave91131 said:
There isn't a 0514 PBO-KGX on a Saturday (at least not according to RTT).

In the bigger scheme of things, there are now no booked 365 workings on a Saturday (save for maybe when there is engineering work and / or a revised timetable) and a small number on Sundays as per info given by Triumph a couple of posts previous, the other Sunday extras are pairs of 387's - the pair of 365's which work the 1755 ex KGX on a Sunday run up ECS from Peterborough Nene Sidings.

The extra PBO-KGX trains on a Saturday (0804 0904 1004 ex PBO and 1636 1736 1836 ex KGX) are booked pairs of 387's which then go on to the Kings Lynn / Ely circuit.

As a regular traveller to London at weekends the past months have been bliss having 4 pairs of 365's to choose from each Saturday, working throughout the day (when Great Northern actually bothered to run the trains) - now much less flexibility to avoid those cattle cart things.
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Thanks for the info! However, you may have misread my question (which is not a problem at all btw). I know there is definitely not a 0514 from PBO to KGX on Saturday mornings, but there is a 0514 from KGX to PBO. I’m wondering if that’s a 365. Sorry on my behalf, maybe I should have questioned it a little better haha. :)

It seems now that 365s will not be used on Saturdays, while Sunday is seeing really little use. I have the holidays coming up very shortly so I’ll be making use of the weekday peak for 365s, knowing they’re gonna be busy!
 
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Radley said:
Thanks for the info! However, you may have misread my question (which is not a problem at all btw). I know there is definitely not a 0514 from PBO to KGX on Saturday mornings, but there is a 0514 from KGX to PBO. I’m wondering if that’s a 365. Sorry on my behalf, maybe I should have questioned it a little better haha. :)

It seems now that 365s will not be used on Saturdays, while Sunday is seeing really little use. I have the holidays coming up very shortly so I’ll be making use of the weekday peak for 365s, knowing they’re gonna be busy!
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If you want quiet 365s, the evening return workings from Peterborough load pretty lightly, also 1957, 2054 and 2154 out of KX are fairly empty towards the front - although they will all be very busy in the likely event of problems with the core service.
 
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Ok, so Realtime Trains is wrong then?
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If you’re going by the timing load then unfortunately this doesn’t hold true in this case - all 387 workings on GN run to a 365 timing load.

One way to tell if something is a 387 is to look and see where else the diagram goes - anything which goes to Ely or Kings Lynn will be 387s.
 
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If you’re going by the timing load then unfortunately this doesn’t hold true in this case - all 387 workings on GN run to a 365 timing load.

One way to tell if something is a 387 is to look and see where else the diagram goes - anything which goes to Ely or Kings Lynn will be 387s.
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Ok, Thanks for the info.
 
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365 Networker said:
Many thanks. No 365s out today then?
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Doesn't seem to be.

From observations, the Stevenage to Peterborough trains are 700/0 (which is curious as they don't have much Peterborough work normally), the Cambridge to KX semi-fast trains are 700/1s, and the Cambridge to KX stopping trains are 700/0. During my journey I didn't see any 365s, nor for that matter any 387s as the fast Cambridge trains all appeared to be cancelled at the time I was travelling.

That's about it for the outer suburban side on GN today, although I presume there's a 387 or two running Cambridge to Kings Lynn.

The decision to focus on Cambridge has proved to be a bit of a kick in the teeth to everywhere else, as from what I'm hearing many of the services - particularly the 8-car stopping services - have been leaving Cambridge with all seats taken and not allowing a look in for people at the intermediate stations. So much for "do not travel", evidently Cambridge folk feel this doesn't apply to them!
 
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Many thanks. No 365s out today then?
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The Peterborough to Stevenage trains are reversing at Langley South Jn on the Hertford loop. There isn’t a designated safe place to change ends there for 365 as it involves climbing onto the track, hence the use of 700s
 
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