Class 43 LNER Farewell Railtour Dec 2019

SteveyBee131 · 18 Dec 2019

50039 said:
Oh well if we’re in true pedant mode... when built, they didn’t have a TSG in the consist - they were all straight trailer seconds... and from memory, the 8-car 254s has two buffet/restaurant cars??

But - I’m just happy to see it looking great... the photos on twitter show they have done a fantastic job - full credit to LNER and the teams for putting this together

Ah yes, I'd clean forgot about the guard's coach!
But indeed, well done LNER and everyone who's worked together for a brilliant result!

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sprinterguy · 18 Dec 2019

Colby James said:
Okay question I know this 43006 / 43206 is in former 253003 but what about 43112 / 43312 what number is it 253 or 254 has anyone got confirmation about it.

43112 was part of set 254029.

WesternLancer · 18 Dec 2019

SteveyBee131 said:
The 253s were 7 carriages, while the 254s were 8. Herein lies another rivet-counting can of worms! 43006 (as she was), was a Western region machine, and part of a 7 carriage set originally.
43112 (as she was) was an ECML machine, and part of an 8 carriage set, so strictly speaking would be a 254 (to hand, I know not which exactly). As we know, the modern day 'Farewell Tour' set, is just 7 coaches. So should 112/312 call her what you will have her original 254 set number, imagining she'd been either been borrowed or the set was temporarily short formed? Or should she carry a 253 set number, not original to her or the route, but more in keeping with the formation of the tour set?

Having said all that, like I said a short while ago, whatever the outcome, the whole thing looks brilliant anyway!
I'll leave this here, and get my coat!

Which type of carriage is missing from this set that it would have had to have made it up to 8 cars originally? Another Standard class carriage? (not for this exact same set etc, but for a 1978 era ECML HST in general?)

Darandio · 18 Dec 2019

Some cracking pictures and video coming through from various Twitter feeds this morning, the buffet even has Travellers Fayre posters. o_O

ainsworth74 · 18 Dec 2019

WesternLancer said:
Which type of carriage is missing from this set that it would have had to have made it up to 8 cars originally? Another Standard class carriage? (not for this exact same set etc, but for a 1978 era ECML HST in general?)

I believe it would have been TF-TF-TRUK-TS-TS-TRSB-TS-TS (though I might have the location of the TRSB in the formation wrong). So the tour formation is missing basically the TRSB entirely, has got a TGS rather than one of the TS vehicles and a TRFB rather than a TRUK.

WesternLancer · 18 Dec 2019

In case anyone needs them handy in one place these look the tour schedule details in full.

As it's underway - any photos / videos would be nice to see!

From ( with the correct final link) https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2019/12/timings-announced-for-lner-hst-farewell-tour.html
Here are the timings from the RTT website:

Weds 18 Dec

Edinburgh Waverley – Inverness
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N07001/2019-12-18/detailed

Thurs 19 Dec

Inverness – Edinburgh Waverley
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/…/N070…/2019-12-19/detailed

Fri 20 Dec

Edinburgh Waverley – Leeds via Doncaster

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/…/N070…/2019-12-20/detailed

Sat 21 Dec

1101 Leeds – London Kings Cross

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N08463/2019-12-21/detailed

and the ECS run

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N17901/2019-12-21/detailed

Hope all these are correct - if not alert me and I'll edit the post

sprinterguy · 18 Dec 2019

WesternLancer said:
Which type of carriage is missing from this set that it would have had to have made it up to 8 cars originally? Another Standard class carriage? (not for this exact same set etc, but for a 1978 era ECML HST in general?)

Ainsworth74 beat me to it halfway through typing this post, but I thought I'd finish it anyway:

The tour set is formed:
TF - TF - TRFB - TS - TS - TS - TGS

The first twenty East Coast HSTs were originally formed:
TF - TF - TRUK - TS - TS - TRSB - TS - TS
(Reformed after April 1980 so that the TRUK and TRSB were adjacent)

The remainder of the East Coast fleet being initially formed as:
TF - TF - TRUB - TS - TS - TS - TS - TS

Where:
TF = Trailer First
TS = Trailer Standard
TGS = Trailer Guards Standard
TRUK = Trailer Restaurant Unclassified Kitchen
TRSB = Trailer Restuarant Standard Buffet
TRUB = Trailer Restaurant Unclassified Buffet (Which subsequently became the TRFB vehicles found in East Coast rakes to this day)

ainsworth74 · 18 Dec 2019

sprinterguy said:
Ainsworth74 beat me to it halfway through typing this post, but I thought I'd finish it anyway:

Well, you put more detail in than I did so how about we both take half a point each :lol:

sprinterguy · 18 Dec 2019

ainsworth74 said:
Well, you put more detail in than I did so how about we both take half a point each

I'll happily go along with that. :lol:

WesternLancer · 18 Dec 2019

sprinterguy said:
Ainsworth74 beat me to it halfway through typing this post, but I thought I'd finish it anyway:

The tour set is formed:
TF - TF - TRFB - TS - TS - TS - TGS

The first twenty East Coast HSTs were originally formed:
TF - TF - TRUK - TS - TS - TRSB - TS - TS

The remainder of the East Coast fleet being initially formed as:
TF - TF - TRUB - TS - TS - TS - TS - TS

Where:
TF = Trailer First
TS = Trailer Standard
TGS = Trailer Guards Standard
TRUK = Trailer Restaurant Unclassified Kitchen
TRSB = Trailer Restuarant Standard Buffet
TRUB = Trailer Restaurant Unclassified Buffet (Which subsequently became the TRFB vehicles found in East Coast rakes to this day)

Thanks for both yours and Ainsworth's posts.

So did the TRSBs have standard class seating that was then subsequently altered to 1st class seat configuration?

Presumably the TRUKs were all altered inside to some other configuration (TRFBs?) and none survive with such interiors?

sprinterguy · 18 Dec 2019

WesternLancer said:
Thanks for both yours and Ainsworth's posts.

So did the TRSBs have standard class seating that was then subsequently altered to 1st class seat configuration?

Presumably the TRUKs were all altered inside to some other configuration (TRFBs?) and none survive with such interiors?

The TRSBs (37 built) and TRUKs (20 built) in ECML HST sets were both ultimately replaced by TRUBs (58 built). Most of the TRSBs retained standard class seating and were inserted into Cross-Country sets, where they mostly remained until the end of their service with Virgin. There were also some on the Western region, and ten there were refitted with first class seating as TRUBs.

The TRUKs found themselves largely without work in the HST fleet and twelve of the twenty were converted to loco-hauled RFMs for the West Coast main line (Becoming 10200 - 10211). A further four were converted to Royal Train vehicles (Becoming 2916 - 2919).

That's a very basic understanding - The reality with the various Eastern, Western and Cross-country fleet formations in their early years was a bit more convoluted.

northernbelle · 18 Dec 2019

SteveyBee131 said:
Well, if I can remember the intricate details of the LNER HST livery compared with the 91/Mk4s in 35 years time, I'll be a very happy man! Back to the present, I'm just glad they're having a blooming good go at the original HST livery. Whether it's rivet-countingly perfect or not, I don't care because it still looks absolutely fantastic!

Completely agree. I only asked if there was a technical reason for it - e.g. making the door handles sit in the blue so they show up better. It's commendable that LNER have gone to such lengths to celebrate an icon.

WesternLancer · 18 Dec 2019

sprinterguy said:
The TRSBs (37 built) and TRUKs (20 built) in ECML HST sets were both ultimately replaced by TRUBs (58 built). Most of the TRSBs retained standard class seating and were inserted into Cross-Country sets, where they mostly remained until the end of their service with Virgin. There were also some on the Western region, and ten there were refitted with first class seating as TRUBs.

The TRUKs found themselves largely without work in the HST fleet and twelve of the twenty were converted to loco-hauled RFMs for the West Coast main line (Becoming 10200 - 10211). A further four were converted to Royal Train vehicles (Becoming 2916 - 2919).

That's a very basic understanding - The reality with the various Eastern, Western and Cross-country fleet formations in their early years was a bit more convoluted.

Thanks - interesting to read.

Tony2 · 18 Dec 2019

My own effort from yesterday (17th) of 253003/W43006 at Craigentinny being readied for the farewell Tour. Depot visit was by invite.

ainsworth74 · 18 Dec 2019

Must admit I did kinda think there might be a few more pictures in this thread of the set now that it's out and about! Hint hint... :lol:

johnr57 · 18 Dec 2019

SteveyBee131 said:
Well, if I can remember the intricate details of the LNER HST livery compared with the 91/Mk4s in 35 years time, I'll be a very happy man! Back to the present, I'm just glad they're having a blooming good go at the original HST livery. Whether it's rivet-countingly perfect or not, I don't care because it still looks absolutely fantastic!

where is the like button!

Furrball · 18 Dec 2019

It did look breathtaking in the flesh.

The buffet car looked amazing. That combination of colours reminded me of my Hornby trainset!

WesternLancer · 18 Dec 2019

I hope someone at EMR is thinking about getting a set done out in IC swallow livery for the eventual MML retirement tour!

AnthonyRail · 18 Dec 2019

WesternLancer said:
I hope someone at EMR is thinking about getting a set done out in IC swallow livery for the eventual MML retirement tour!

That would be so good

Stormcrown · 18 Dec 2019

Hi everyone, I'm new to the forum and still finding my way around

Here is a photo I took of 43006 on the rear of the train during the stop at Aberdeen today. The whole train looked rather splendid in its original livery, the staff were very friendly and attentive which made for a good atmosphere onboard.

WesternLancer · 19 Dec 2019

Stormcrown said:
Hi everyone, I'm new to the forum and still finding my way around

Here is a photo I took of 43006 on the rear of the train during the stop at Aberdeen today. The whole train looked rather splendid in its original livery, the staff were very friendly and attentive which made for a good atmosphere onboard. View attachment 71724

Welcome - and thanks for posting such a great photo!

I hope it's going to still look that shiny by the time it gets to the east midlands....!

WesternLancer · 19 Dec 2019

Furrball said:
It did look breathtaking in the flesh.

The buffet car looked amazing. That combination of colours reminded me of my Hornby trainset!View attachment 71715

Great restaurant car pic!

Ash Bridge · 19 Dec 2019

Stormcrown said:
Hi everyone, I'm new to the forum and still finding my way around

Here is a photo I took of 43006 on the rear of the train during the stop at Aberdeen today. The whole train looked rather splendid in its original livery, the staff were very friendly and attentive which made for a good atmosphere onboard. View attachment 71724

Hi, welcome to the forum. Well that just takes my breath away...beautiful!

Great shots in post #314, 317, & 320 too, many thanks for providing.

kev1974 · 19 Dec 2019

I'm impressed at how it's staying so clean and shiny in this weather. Unless I've only seen photos taken first thing in the morning!

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finnyus · 19 Dec 2019

I took that photograph yesterday morning - not a drone photograph, just a high vantage point. Is there a link to the STV page where they used the photograph?

Flickr link: https://www.flickr.com/photos/finnyus/49237534966/in/dateposted-public/

Steddenm said:
Not my pics.

View attachment 71720
Image of the Inter-City 125 livered HST taken by drone for STV News
View attachment 71721
Image of internal of Inter-City 125 Buffet Restaurant showing posters depicting 1980s catering on board. Image from Whatapp message.

Images from STV News and individual by WhatsApp and used with permission. STV image (c) 2019 Scottish Independent Television.

Speed43125 · 19 Dec 2019

Just saw it passing Dunblane. Wasn't expecting to see it, but it a few minutes late and that meant I just got to see it on the walk home from school (I'm 16), was doing only maybe 40 or so, but still looks great in the flesh!

Djminisite06 · 19 Dec 2019

kev1974 said:
I'm impressed at how it's staying so clean and shiny in this weather. Unless I've only seen photos taken first thing in the morning!

It’s staying incredibly clean to be fair - but the weather has generally actually been okay - dry during the day yesterday and only snow on the ground today

BRX · 19 Dec 2019

Any good photos of it in Inverness or on the HML?

WesternLancer · 20 Dec 2019

BRX said:
Any good photos of it in Inverness or on the HML?

some nice pics on Tim Dunn's twitter feed if you google that or try this link - video link thru highlands too

https://twitter.com/MrTimDunn?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

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