Abellio Greater Anglia Class 755s (Regional Trains)

Abbo · 19 Dec 2019

swills said:
In TRUST looks like to start with, just one train a day ! 5P54 2033 to Victoria, and stables to form 5P07 the 0537 Victoria to Norwich.

Does it really say Norwich Victoria ( closed to passenger traffic in the early 1900's ) or Victoria Sidings. If ever Victoria was reopened it would allow a very quick getaway to Ipswich but no where else !!

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dk1 · 19 Dec 2019

Abbo said:
Does it really say Norwich Victoria ( closed to passenger traffic in the early 1900's ) or Victoria Sidings. If ever Victoria was reopened it would allow a very quick getaway to Ipswich but no where else !!

And I would lose a convenient Sainsbury's

eastdyke · 19 Dec 2019

Abbo said:
From the good Burghers of Manea and Sheringham to the tune of All I want for Christmas are my two front teeth.
All I want for Christmas is my train set back , my train set back , my train set back etc.
With seasons greetings to all members of this excellent group which I thouroughly enjoy as a newly joined member.

Your song has seemingly had immediate success!
The good people of Manea and many others stand to benefit from the following:
The GA website:

Please be advised the following services have been reinstated 19/12/2019;
The 12:01 Ipswich to Peterborough service.
The 13:50 Peterborough to Ipswich service.
The 16:01 Ipswich to Peterborough service.
The 17:50 Peterborough to Ipswich service.

https://www.greateranglia.co.uk/tra...ns/rural-routes-disruption-information-update
Of course it may be a 156 or the 170, but who knows? It's a TRAIN!

Carlgoss · 19 Dec 2019

swills said:
More issues with 755s tonight, nowhere near the Bittern Line (Ipswich, Norwich & Yarmouth, although minor), seems part of the problem is the 'scrubber' .......seems it is working 'in reverse' from what we have heard ! mod needed, and the sander applies under the wrong wheels (non driving)

Good grief.. surely not precise Swiss made engineering.. more Swiss engineering outsourced to third party countries.

eastdyke said:
Went down yesterday, via Norwich to get to Ipswich from ECML.
further progress at Victoria Sidings. RTT now shows booked services in and out of 'Norwich Victoria', clearly 'ghost' paths pending completion.
eg for 23rd Jan:
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C01841/2020-01-23/detailed ......

States 'Pathed as Electric locomotive, trailing load 350 tonnes' so does that suggest Class 90's for the Victoria sidings then? Would have thought that would make sense security wise?

Abbo · 19 Dec 2019

eastdyke said:
Some, to say the least, 'mixed' news there but fixes should get those services back up and running.

In better news, which I am sure that you already know, ECS ran in Q paths overnight Ipswich-Peterborough and return, seemingly including 'calls' at Manea, March and Whittlesea.
From RTT:
Out 5Q46 https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/F31761/2019-12-18/detailed
Back 5Q47 https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/F31765/2019-12-19/detailed

More Q paths VSTP for later today (if they run) vice cancelled passenger services:
Out 5Q74 dep IPS 10.01 https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O72153/2019-12-19/detailed
Back 5Q75 dep PBO 11.50 https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O72154/2019-12-19/detailed

Hope all goes to plan sans 'signalling problems'

Good news. Also hear that 755335 was in Sheringham platform ( seen from Tesco's = every little helps ) about 1845 last evening. Anything known?

Perhaps it is finally coming together.

ashkeba · 19 Dec 2019

Abbo said:
Does it really say Norwich Victoria ( closed to passenger traffic in the early 1900's ) or Victoria Sidings. If ever Victoria was reopened it would allow a very quick getaway to Ipswich but no where else !!

It really says Norwich Victoria. Check on liverail or RTT links already given above.

ashkeba · 19 Dec 2019

Carlgoss said:
Good grief.. surely not precise Swiss made engineering.. more Swiss engineering outsourced to third party countries.

Do other countries use scrubbers and sanders? Working in reverse or being fitted under the wrong wheels, if true, makes me wonder who fitted and who tested them!

trebor79 · 19 Dec 2019

ashkeba said:
Do other countries use scrubbers and sanders? Working in reverse or being fitted under the wrong wheels, if true, makes me wonder who fitted and who tested them!

The sanders are certainly visible under the second bogies from each end. Traction motors are on the end bogies. Does seem an odd design choice!

Chris125 · 19 Dec 2019

trebor79 said:
The sanders are certainly visible under the second bogies from each end. Traction motors are on the end bogies. Does seem an odd design choice!

Isn't the second bogie the normal location for sanders because of that potential to affect track circuits? This Rail Engineer mentions 387s having sanders on axle 3 for example.

Tug · 19 Dec 2019

Chris125 said:
Isn't the second bogie the normal location for sanders because of that potential to affect track circuits? This Rail Engineer mentions 387s having sanders on axle 3 for example.

Which axles/bogies are driven on 387's? There seems little point in having a sander behind a driven axle unless it is mainly for braking.

samuelmorris · 19 Dec 2019

Tug said:
Which axles/bogies are driven on 387's? There seems little point in having a sander behind a driven axle unless it is mainly for braking.

2, 4 and 7, or 2, 5 and 7 depending on which way round you're looking.

Tug · 19 Dec 2019

Chris125 said:
Isn't the second bogie the normal location for sanders because of that potential to affect track circuits? This Rail Engineer mentions 387s having sanders on axle 3 for example.

Tug said:
Which axles/bogies are driven on 387's?

samuelmorris said:
2, 4 and 7, or 2, 5 and 7 depending on which way round you're looking.

Which would appear to make the axle 3 location on a 387 less odd than the second bogie on a 755.

Chris125 · 19 Dec 2019

Tug said:
Which axles/bogies are driven on 387's? There seems little point in having a sander behind a driven axle unless it is mainly for braking.

I'd have thought braking was a much higher priority, it is for me!

That said, if they have sanders under the second bogie from each end do they use the front ones or the rear ones - those would be in front of driven axles - though that would compromise braking and the Rail Engineer article suggests axle 3 is standard (required?) practice.

168001 · 19 Dec 2019

The sanders are on axle 3 the same as the TCA.

LAX54 · 19 Dec 2019

ashkeba said:
It really says Norwich Victoria. Check on liverail or RTT links already given above.

Of course it is Norwich Victoria Sidings, as opposed to Norwich Victoria Station of course, Vic sidings been there for ....well ever

next to the Jct that goes to Thetford

eastdyke · 19 Dec 2019

168001 said:
The sanders are on axle 3 the same as the TCA.

Thanks. So the TCA operates on the 2 wheelsets of the first Jacobs bogie, axles 3/4?

I thought from reading before that both the leading and trailing wheelsets required TCAs. I don't have access to a copy of the relevant standard GM/RT2477. Anybody out there with a copy who could have a look could confirm that I have gone off on one again - please?
Cheers

168001 · 19 Dec 2019

eastdyke said:
Thanks. So the TCA operates on the 2 wheelsets of the first Jacobs bogie, axles 3/4Cheers

Yes. TCA on both wheel sets 3-4 and 9-10.

eastdyke · 19 Dec 2019

168001 said:
Yes. TCA on both wheel sets 3-4 and 9-10.

Thanks again! Sorry more questions.
On the 755/3s its 3/4 and 7/8 (one set being the Jacobs bogie with the power module)?
Sanders likewise on axle 3/10 on the 755/4s or just 1 position per unit? And I assume can be activated for both power down and for braking?
Cheers!

bahnause · 19 Dec 2019

You can actually see the sanders in the drawing for the 755/4 in the PDF if you zoom in:

https://www.stadlerrail.com/media/pdf/feabmu0916e.pdf

168001 · 19 Dec 2019

eastdyke said:
Thanks again! Sorry more questions.
On the 755/3s its 3/4 and 7/8 (one set being the Jacobs bogie with the power module)?
Sanders likewise on axle 3/10 on the 755/4s or just 1 position per unit? And I assume can be activated for both power down and for braking?
Cheers!

The 3 car only have 10 wheel sets and the 4 car 12. It’s the same position on both types the first Jacobs bogie from each end.

eastdyke · 19 Dec 2019

@bahnause @168001 Thanks to you both.

gingerheid · 19 Dec 2019

eastdyke said:
Your song has seemingly had immediate success!
The good people of Manea and many others stand to benefit from the following:
The GA website:

https://www.greateranglia.co.uk/tra...ns/rural-routes-disruption-information-update
Of course it may be a 156 or the 170, but who knows? It's a TRAIN!

Go Manea! It's already had double the number of GA trains it had last week!!!

Abbo · 20 Dec 2019

Abbo said:
Good news. Also hear that 755335 was in Sheringham platform ( seen from Tesco's = every little helps ) about 1845 last evening. Anything known?

Perhaps it is finally coming together.

Can answer the question about 335 at Sheringham. Also 411 seen under the cover at Stansted running on Diesel yesterday. Anything known on this as well ? Thanks in anticipation.

Abbo · 20 Dec 2019

Abbo said:
Can answer the question about 335 at Sheringham. Also 411 seen under the cover at Stansted running on Diesel yesterday. Anything known on this as well ? Thanks in anticipation.

Woops sorry........................should have started 'can ANYBODY answer..................

Icky Qualms · 20 Dec 2019

I think the diesel engine ticks over when the unit is on overhead power but I am not certain of this

dk1 · 20 Dec 2019

Icky Qualms said:
I think the diesel engine ticks over when the unit is on overhead power but I am not certain of this

No it doesn't. We hit pre-heat approaching Ely down road although even this doesn't have to be done.

Icky Qualms · 20 Dec 2019

It was just a guess really so I stand corrected.
I wonder why the engines were on at Stansted.

dk1 · 20 Dec 2019

Icky Qualms said:
It was just a guess really so I stand corrected.
I wonder why the engines were on at Stansted.

Shouldn't be if in platforms 1 or 3 unless there was special dispensation with the failed unit stranded yesterday.

Icky Qualms · 20 Dec 2019

One Flirt and two 156's on Ipswich to Cambridge service today

delticdave · 20 Dec 2019

dk1 said:
No it doesn't. We hit pre-heat approaching Ely down road although even this doesn't have to be done.

Pre-heating, starting the engines & letting them idle or electric immersion heaters, (often used in N.American loco-hauled commuter trains, using a shore supply to keep engines & coaches warm during the overnight / weekend layovers.)?

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