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Bobdogs · 23 Dec 2019

I don't know whether this has been mentioned before. Why do the Channel Islands not appear in the opening titles map in later episodes?

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Calthrop · 23 Dec 2019

Just a wild guess -- because of their having become occupied by German forces in early summer 1940 (occupation lasting until the end of the war in Europe)?

pdeaves · 23 Dec 2019

Calthrop said:
Just a wild guess -- because of their having become occupied by German forces in early summer 1940 (occupation lasting until the end of the war in Europe)?

Nice subtle change to represent what was going on in the world.

d9009alycidon · 23 Dec 2019

Don't tell him Pike!

bnm · 23 Dec 2019

d9009alycidon said:
Don't tell him Pike!

You stupid boy.

GRALISTAIR · 23 Dec 2019

Who do you think you are kidding Mr Hitler?

dgl · 23 Dec 2019

There was a celebrity Mastermind which had amongst it's guests Rick Wakeman and Ian Lavender, when Ian went up and was asked his name Rick being the comedian naturally shouted out "Don't tell him Pike".

Cowley · 23 Dec 2019

dgl said:
There was a celebrity Mastermind which had amongst it's guests Rick Wakeman and Ian Lavender, when Ian went up and was asked his name Rick being the comedian naturally shouted out "Don't tell him Pike".

That’s brilliant!

Aictos · 23 Dec 2019

Because this is the general discussion board and there needs to be a area in the railway forums for non railway issues.

Besides if you don’t like the subject why post in the topic?

Howardh · 23 Dec 2019

d9009alycidon said:
Don't tell him Pike!

Probably the funniest line ever in the history of funny lines.
Goes alongside dear old Humphrey's "Awesome comedy" after a very poor gag in I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue. He then corrected himself..
"Sorry, I've missed a line, it would be nice to have some music or some comedy".

Anyhow, back to the Channel Islands, were all the railways there operational before WW2 and did the Germans use them during occupation?

hexagon789 · 23 Dec 2019

Howardh said:
Anyhow, back to the Channel Islands, were all the railways there operational before WW2 and did the Germans use them during occupation?

Yes to the former question - The Jersey Railway closed in 1936, the Jersey Eastern in 1929 and the electrified Guernsey Railway in 1934. As to the latter, the Germans rebuilt almost the entire route of the Jersey Railway from St Helier to La Corbière but to metre guage during the occupation.

Howardh · 23 Dec 2019

hexagon789 said:
Yes to the former question - The Jersey Railway closed in 1936, the Jersey Eastern in 1929 and the electrified Guernsey Railway in 1934. As to the latter, the Germans rebuilt almost the entire route of the Jersey Railway from St Helier to La Corbière but to metre guage during the occupation.

Thanks!

edwin_m · 23 Dec 2019

hexagon789 said:
As to the latter, the Germans rebuilt almost the entire route of the Jersey Railway from St Helier to La Corbière but to metre guage during the occupation.

And I found a map somewhere which suggested they built a branch which would have been very useful to serve the airport, had the railway been retained post-war!

Busaholic · 23 Dec 2019

Howardh said:
Probably the funniest line ever in the history of funny lines.
Goes alongside dear old Humphrey's "Awesome comedy" after a very poor gag in I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue. He then corrected himself..
"Sorry, I've missed a line, it would be nice to have some music or some comedy".

Anyhow, back to the Channel Islands, were all the railways there operational before WW2 and did the Germans use them during occupation?

Galton/Simpson's immortal line spoken by Tony Hancock to Patricia Hayes gets my vote, namely ''I wouldn't say my mother was a good cook, but at least her gravy moved around a bit''. perhaps because it had special resonance in my parental home!

hexagon789 · 23 Dec 2019

Howardh said:
Thanks!

No problem

edwin_m said:
And I found a map somewhere which suggested they built a branch which would have been very useful to serve the airport, had the railway been retained post-war!

It is a shame none of the system survives, as a light-rail system it could be quite popular, but the original railways were overtaken by the greater flexibility of motorbuses, indeed the Jersey Railway even operated it's own competing bus services when it still ran trains!

Howardh · 23 Dec 2019

hexagon789 said:
No problem
It is a shame none of the system survives, as a light-rail system it could be quite popular, but the original railways were overtaken by the greater flexibility of motorbuses, indeed the Jersey Railway even operated it's own competing bus services when it still ran trains!

There are horse-drawn trams on the Isle of Man I think - aren't they on the Douglas prom using rails? Anyway I know the IOM trains are an attraction to me, and I'm sure similar narrow-gauge trains would be a tourist attraction on jersey and Guernsey too.
Now if only there was some old tube stock bobbing around Alderney :wub:

hexagon789 · 23 Dec 2019

Howardh said:
There are horse-drawn trams on the Isle of Man I think - aren't they on the Douglas prom using rails? Anyway I know the IOM trains are an attraction to me, and I'm sure similar narrow-gauge trains would be a tourist attraction on jersey and Guernsey too.
Now if only there was some old tube stock bobbing around Alderney

Yes, I believe the Douglas Horse Trams still operate in the summer, despite coming close to cessation. I did read that the route and operations may be altered, the route single-tracked for one thing.

There is a small railway on Jersey, just a loop of track at an industrial museum I think.

Well, the line on Alderney was for freight not passenger unlike the other Channel Islands railways.

Howardh · 23 Dec 2019

I've found this (minature railway on Guernsey)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/guernsey/hi/people_and_places/history/newsid_8849000/8849444.stm

At the back of the grounds of Sausmarez Manor in St Martin, nestled amongst the trees, is the only permanent railway line currently in Guernsey.

Though only small it features its own petrol driven locomotive Remus along with two carriages to carry people along its quarter mile length.

Manor owner Peter De Sausmarez said: "It was an idea put out by Terry Leigh who was a very enthusiastic train man."

He said that the train rides remained popular with visiting children.

Cowley · 23 Dec 2019

Howardh said:
I've found this (minature railway on Guernsey)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/guernsey/hi/people_and_places/history/newsid_8849000/8849444.stm

That little green engine has a whiff of class 24 about it...

Waldgrun · 25 Dec 2019

Bobdogs said:
I don't know whether this has been mentioned before. Why do the Channel Islands not appear in the opening titles map in later episodes?

Getting back to the question, where the title animations, remade with the switch from Black and White to colour?

TrafficEng · 25 Dec 2019

hexagon789 said:
It is a shame none of the system survives, as a light-rail system it could be quite popular, but the original railways were overtaken by the greater flexibility of motorbuses, indeed the Jersey Railway even operated it's own competing bus services when it still ran trains!

There is a 'train' of sorts still running on approximately the original route around St Aubin's Bay that demonstrates there is at least some residual interest in the idea.
www.littletrain.co.uk/

I will forever be grateful to the friendly driver who allowed me to flag them down and board mid-journey on a cold wet afternoon when the 3 year old I was looking after decided they couldn't walk another step.

Howardh · 25 Dec 2019

Ynys Môn's missing too!!

AndrewE · 25 Dec 2019

dgl said:
There was a celebrity Mastermind which had amongst its guests Rick Wakeman and Ian Lavender, when Ian went up and was asked his name Rick being the comedian naturally shouted out "Don't tell him Pike".

A brilliant line, but not likely to have been completely off the cuff. I liked the time that Michael Palin was on Today on R4, following on from the sport report, which had itself followed a very heated political interrogation (bear with me...) When Palin came on and before he could be asked about his latest book (or whatever) he credited the sports reporter with the joke while they were waiting together outside the studio "Is this the room for an argument?"

Busaholic said:
Galton/Simpson's immortal line spoken by Tony Hancock to Patricia Hayes gets my vote, namely ''I wouldn't say my mother was a good cook, but at least her gravy moved around a bit''. perhaps because it had special resonance in my parental home!

Surely he was talking to Hattie Jaques (Griselda Pugh) with that line? I do remember it though.

pdeaves · 25 Dec 2019

AndrewE said:
Surely he was talking to Hattie Jaques (Griselda Pugh) with that line? I do remember it though.

Yes, it was Miss Pugh.

Busaholic · 25 Dec 2019

AndrewE said:
A brilliant line, but not likely to have been completely off the cuff. I liked the time that Michael Palin was on Today on R4, following on from the sport report, which had itself followed a very heated political interrogation (bear with me...) When Palin came on and before he could be asked about his latest book (or whatever) he credited the sports reporter with the joke while they were waiting together outside the studio "Is this the room for an argument?"

Surely he was talking to Hattie Jaques (Griselda Pugh) with that line? I do remember it though.

Could be. The scriptwriters obviously liked the idea though, as on tonight's 'Hancock's Missing Half Hours' on Radio 4 which recreates missing radio tapes for which the scripts still exist a variation of it is used when reference is made to ''slicing the gravy''.

LAX54 · 30 Dec 2019

Busaholic said:
Galton/Simpson's immortal line spoken by Tony Hancock to Patricia Hayes gets my vote, namely ''I wouldn't say my mother was a good cook, but at least her gravy moved around a bit''. perhaps because it had special resonance in my parental home!

Tony Hancock: 'Sunday Afternoon' (or very similar). I think the next line, was "but this gravy just lies there and sets"

pdeaves · 30 Dec 2019

swills said:
Tony Hancock: 'Sunday Afternoon' (or very similar). I think the next line, was "but this gravy just lies there and sets"

I think it was 'Christmas East Cheam style', where the vicar brought two orphans round to enjoy (ha!) a meal.

Karl · 30 Dec 2019

No it was 'Sunday Afternoon at Home'. I was prompted to listen to it last night. I have all the shows on my PC as mp3s. Great collection.

AlterEgo · 30 Dec 2019

Calthrop said:
Just a wild guess -- because of their having become occupied by German forces in early summer 1940 (occupation lasting until the end of the war in Europe)?

Unlikely. The Home Guard was formed only a few weeks before the invasion of the Channel Islands (the invasion would have happened within the timeframe of the first few episodes of Series 1). The titles don’t change until much later series - about series 4?

DerekC · 1 Jan 2020

AlterEgo said:
Unlikely. The Home Guard was formed only a few weeks before the invasion of the Channel Islands (the invasion would have happened within the timeframe of the first few episodes of Series 1). The titles don’t change until much later series - about series 4?

I am not sure that tying the development of the series in the 1960s/70s to the progress of the war in the 1940s makes much sense - it seems more likely that they remade the title sequence for some reason and just left the Channel Islands (and Anglesey - thanks @Howardh) out.

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