Northern Pacer Withdrawals - Info?

Skymonster said:

Wibble now suggesting Chasewater is having two Pacers - 142029 is already half there and 142030 is the other being suggested by the rumour machine.

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The other half arrived today

The five non refurbished units that have original interiors must be the target for preservationists. These being 003/13/29/30 and 67. I think 13 and 67 are in warm store at Heaton.

Skymonster said:

Half of 142029 (55570) is now reported on WNXX as being at the Chasewater Railway

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IamTrainsYT said:

The other half arrived today

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Confirmed sighting on a low loader heading south on the M1 earlier this afternoon, a couple of miles north of Tibshelf services.



We were driving from Yorkshire to the Midlands and stopped at Tibshelf for a coffee. We saw it again briefly on the A5148, as it turned onto the A5 towards Chasewater.

_toommm_ said:

I believe that was the rationale behind keeping the 142s specifically longer as they're signed by more crews.

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The original plan was for the 144s to go first. I'm not sure why that changed. The 142s are more reliable than the 144s although, in my ipinion, the interiors of the 144s are less battered than the 142s.

Just seen this on Facebook, some nice pictures of Gascoigne Wood sidings with the Pacers and HST sets. Attached , might be of interest to some people

Thanks for sharing
Such a shame these had to be retired though

I took these from a Hull to York train last Thursday afternoon at Gascoigne Wood.

Are those HST's for scrap as well ?

Grannyjoans said:

Are those HST's for scrap as well ?

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They're going to EMR to replace their fleet of HSTs, as the LNER units are more PRM compliant. they'll then be going from the MML next year.

Updated to show the three units that were stored at Holbeck that are now at Gascoigne Wood and the "other" 142 that Chasewater Railway are looking at getting.

Red - withdrawn.
Orange - scrapped.
Yellow - converted to other use (does not include food tins or razor blades).
Green - modified for Passengers of Reduced Mobility.
Blue - in storage.
Purple - preserved.


Class 142
001 - Unit preserved. Due to move to the National Railway Museum in York.
002
003 - In storage at Barrow
004
005 - First to be withdrawn, now scrapped (updated as of 7th December 2019)
006
007 - In storage at Barrow
008 - Scrapped (Collided with a class 87 at Winsford in 1999).
009 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
010
011
012 - at Landore TMD? being stripped of spare parts.
013
014
015 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
016 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
017 - in storage at Worksop
018
019 - in storage at Worksop
020 - in storage at Worksop
021 - was in storage at Botanic Gardens Hull, now at Gascoigne Wood.
022 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
023
024
025 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
026 - was in storage at Botanic Gardens Hull, now at Gascoigne Wood.
027 - in storage at Worksop
028 - In storage at Barrow
029 - Unit preserved at Chasewater Railway.
030 - Unit to be preserved at Chasewater Railway.
031 - in storage at Holbeck, Leeds.
032
033 - was in storage at Worksop, now at Landore being stripped of spare parts.
034 - In storage at Barrow
035
036
037 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
038 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
039 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
040 - In storage at Barrow
041
042 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
043
044 - Scrapped, second class 142 unit to be dismantled at CF Booths (the first being 005).
045
046 - In storage at Barrow
047
048 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
049 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
050 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury?
051
052 - in storage at Worksop
053 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
054
055
056 - In storage at Barrow
057 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
058
059 - Scrapped (Collided with buffer stops at Liverpool Lime Street in 1991.)
060 - was in storage at Botanic Gardens Hull, now at Gascoigne Wood.
061
062
063
064 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
065
066 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
067
068
069
070
071
072
073
074
075
076
077
078
079 - at Landore TMD? being stripped of spare parts.
080
081
082
083
084 - in storage at Worksop
085
086 - at Canton, stripped of spare parts.
087
088 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury.
089
090
091 - in storage at Worksop
092 - in storage at Holbeck, Leeds
093 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury.
094
095
096 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury. The last of the class lost for good.

Class 143
601
602
603 - set to be preserved at the Swindon and Cricklade Railway
604
605
606
607
608
609
610
611
612
613 - Scrapped (Unit caught fire near Nailsea & Backwell in 2004).
614
615 - Scrapped (Unit caught fire in 2005).
616
617
618
619
620
621
622
623
624
625

Class 144 - All units stabled at Neville Hill.
001
002
003 - set to be preserved at the Great Central Railway at Ruddington.
004
005
006
007
008
009
010
011
012 - 144 Evolution has full PRM modifications.
013
014
015
016
017
018
019
020
021
022
023

Chris217 said:

Thanks for sharing
Such a shame these had to be retired though

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They are worthy of continued use in heritage operations, but they were a nightmare when having to ride on one from one side of Devon to another on the way home.

Is there to be a Pacer farewell tour?

Bletchleyite said:

Is there to be a Pacer farewell tour?

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think there is one in the pipeline,YouTuber Nodrog has been asked by northern for suggestions about a farewell tour (Leylands last lap ) https://www.facebook.com/nodrogvlogs/photos/a.2009633029282207/2576598932585611/?type=3&theater

I can't imagine the horror of a Pacer tour. Spending a full day sat on a loaded Pacer.

Grannyjoans said:

I can't imagine the horror of a Pacer tour. Spending a full day sat on a loaded Pacer.

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I can and I would happily do it

Grannyjoans said:

I can't imagine the horror of a Pacer tour. Spending a full day sat on a loaded Pacer.

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I refer the honourable member to a tweet of mine from 7th December:

https://twitter.com/Peter_Mugridge/status/1203281904339955713?s=20

Replying to
@northernassist
If you could arrange a run on a 142 with the original bus seats from Euston to Glasgow and back ( could use a 75mph freight path most of the way ) then I'll ride it for charity both ways.
@SirPeterHendy
@RAIL

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Peter Mugridge said:

I refer the honourable member to a tweet of mine from 7th December:

https://twitter.com/Peter_Mugridge/status/1203281904339955713?s=20

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I see you draw the line at a MerseyTravel one though... smart!

IamTrainsYT said:

I can and I would happily do it

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So wouldI!

IamTrainsYT said:

I can and I would happily do it

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Most definitely! Might take a few days to cover everywhere though... even better!

They need to go out in style and with respect.

Chris217 said:

They need to go out in style and with respect.

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Absolutely!

Problem with a long distance pacer tour it would have to stop frequently for toilet breaks (unless the rules are relaxed for a short time )

IamTrainsYT said:

I can and I would happily do it

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I agree with that. Maybe they could pull of a HST an repaint a set into the original Regional Railways livery - but it is Norther, so it probably be just a few pieces of it!

woodhouse122 said:

Problem with a long distance pacer tour it would have to stop frequently for toilet breaks (unless the rules are relaxed for a short time )

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DDA, PRM etc doesn't apply to specials, charters, heritage services, one-offs etc. So it would be fine.

Entertexthere said:

I agree with that. Maybe they could pull of a HST an repaint a set into the original Regional Railways livery - but it is Norther, so it probably be just a few pieces of it!

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You're showing your (lack of) age there... the RR livery wasn't the original! The first few were in GMPTE Orange, including preserved 001 which will probably be returned to that colour scheme once it goes on display.

61653 HTAFC said:

You're showing your (lack of) age there... the RR livery wasn't the original! The first few were in GMPTE Orange, including preserved 001 which will probably be returned to that colour scheme once it goes on display.

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Some were in Provincial light blue though.

Bletchleyite said:

Some were in Provincial light blue though.

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True, but the first few were orange units specifically for Manchester area routes. For those lucky people too young to remember, the three liveries carried by 142s from new were: GMPTE orange; Provincial blue; and the brown version of the blue which was used on the units destined for the West Country. They didn't last long down there though!
143s carried Provincial blue from new, and all 144s were in the earlier version of WYPTE "Raspberry ripple" with the broad beige stripe.

Off the top of my head as delivered:
142001 - 14 GMPTE Orange. 142015 - 27 Cornish Skipper Chocolate and Cream.
142028 - 96 Provincial Light Blue.

The GMPTE units were the last sets to retain SCG gearboxes. By the end of 1990 just 142006 -9/011-014 retained them.

YorksDMU said:

I took these from a Hull to York train last Thursday afternoon at Gascoigne Wood.

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144 seen at Beverley this morning at 1015 ish on York to Brid stopper. Seem to be on this run regularly. Cd be longest job they do atm.
Anyone help me with number?

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ed1971 said:

Off the top of my head as delivered:
142001 - 14 GMPTE Orange. 142015 - 27 Cornish Skipper Chocolate and Cream.
142028 - 96 Provincial Light Blue.

The GMPTE units were the last sets to retain SCG gearboxes. By the end of 1990 just 142006 -9/011-014 retained them.

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I remember well seeing a rake of Skippers heading south through Bridgwater on their way south to Laira. Cd have been at least 5 units. Cant remember the year though. Only stayed down there a while-did they squeak on tight curves!!!

Peter Bonner said:

I remember well seeing a rake of Skippers heading south through Bridgwater on their way south to Laira. Cd have been at least 5 units. Cant remember the year though. Only stayed down there a while-did they squeak on tight curves!!!

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My first ride on an ex Cornish Skipper was from Wigan NW to Blackpool North in October 1987. The Skippers were among the first to receive Voith gearboxes after they had moved North.