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TPE Nova 3 (Class 68 + Mk5s) updates and withdrawal from service

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Lancashire Day Ranger you can do Liverpool to Manchester. North West one that allows Liverpool to Leeds is a 7 day.

Another one that is quite a good day rover / ranger ticket is the Cheshire one Liverpool, Manchester, Crewe Stoke on Trent.
 
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It looks as though 1E41, the 14:54 LIV-SCA, will be starting from MCV (at 15:30) with a Mk5 + 68 set: ECS viewed on the Ordsall chord about to enter MCV, but couldn't see which one it was. So all four should be out again, hopefully.

Loco on the Scarborough end, by the way.

PS I forgot to say: thanks very much, SJpowermac, for the timetable simplifiers - much appreciated!
 
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It looks as though 1E41, the 14:54 LIV-SCA, will be starting from MCV (at 15:30) with a Mk5 + 68 set: ECS viewed on the Ordsall chord about to enter MCV, but couldn't see which one it was. So all four should be out again, hopefully.

Loco on the Scarborough end, by the way.

PS I forgot to say: thanks very much, SJpowermac, for the timetable simplifiers - much appreciated!
Thanks for that. It’s 68022 on 1E41. Pleased you like the timetable:)

‘What the left hand giveth, the right hand taketh away’: game over for 68025 Superb today, 1F74/1E51 cancelled ‘due to a lack of train drivers’.
 

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Obviously, on the scale of CAF failures, smoke pouring from one bogie on a coach in passenger service isn't "serious" at all....
It isn’t really the fault of the train if train crew isolate the service brakes and don’t release the parking brakes
 

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It isn’t really the fault of the train if train crew isolate the service brakes and don’t release the parking brakes
And good to hear no serious damage done :)
Agreed and looking forward to another trip on this one soon.

Timetable fallen apart a bit this evening with 1F74/1F78 and 1E51/1E53 cancelled ‘due to a shortage of drivers’.

So, 68022 ‘Resolution’ and 68025 ‘Superb’ at Scarborough for morning.
 

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12/13 sets will be in service, 1 set on maintenance, 7 are required for the Liverpool - Scarborough route which with cover all workings and there are 7 diagrams required to cover the Airport - Redcar route which will be covered by the other 5 sets with 2 diagrams being worked by 185’s.
Is the 13th set the one in maintenance or is it the 12th one?
 

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Is the 13th set the one in maintenance or is it the 12th one?
The way I read this is:
13 sets built
7 in use daily to Scarborough
5 in use daily to Redcar
1 on maintenance.
So, the answer to your question would be, under ideal circumstances, ‘the 13th’.
 

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It isn’t really the fault of the train if train crew isolate the service brakes and don’t release the parking brakes

1) Who was blaming the train? A failure is a failure, however caused.

2) That's a fairly serious allegation to make on a public forum. Are you saying the train crew acted maliciously?
 

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"Calm down, calm down", he says in a comedy Scouse accent! (Can't find a suitable smiley with curly black hair and a tache...)

I have little doubt in my mind that if this incident was caused by an operational error, it cannot be regarded as a CAF/train failure, which was implied in your earlier post (#459) - even if you hadn't intended it to read like that.

I didn't see what @Erniescooper said was any form of allegation of ill intent by any staff, just his opinion or knowledge that it was caused by human error, rather than something being wrong with the train itself. This wouldn't be anything surprising with a new fleet, especially one that is significantly different to what was used previously.

We all read things differently - and sometimes get into heated discussions that we don't need to or even intend (I've been guilty of that on occasion!) - and I think this is one of those. Have another look at post #459 and see how it might read to someone else.

Clearly, yourself and @Erniescooper have been valuable contributors to this thread and it would be a real shame if that changed as a result of what appears to have been a misunderstanding.

Peace :wub: (Looking for a hippy smiley, but failing again, so that one will have to do!)
 

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The way I read this is:
13 sets built
7 in use daily to Scarborough
5 in use daily to Redcar
1 on maintenance.

That's like what I've seen previously, and always wondered why they didn't just order 15 sets (money?), so as to keep the carriage numbers/reservations/set swaps, between the same formation?
Or were these ordered prior to the extension to Redcar, which has stretched the availability of the 68/CAF sets, requiring the 185s to stay on that route?
 

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That's like what I've seen previously, and always wondered why they didn't just order 15 sets (money?), so as to keep the carriage numbers/reservations/set swaps, between the same formation?
Or were these ordered prior to the extension to Redcar, which has stretched the availability of the 68/CAF sets, requiring the 185s to stay on that route?
You are right about the Redcar extension, that definitely came after the order for the Nova 3 sets. An order for another couple of sets would make a lot of sense.
 

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Sat 28.12.2019
68025 ‘Superb’ on 1F52 05:34 Scarborough to Liverpool Lime Street (loco SCA end)
68022 ‘Resolution’ on 1F54 06:34 Scarborough to Liverpool Lime Street (loco LIV end)
Both confirmed by sight.
 

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That's like what I've seen previously, and always wondered why they didn't just order 15 sets (money?), so as to keep the carriage numbers/reservations/set swaps, between the same formation?
Or were these ordered prior to the extension to Redcar, which has stretched the availability of the 68/CAF sets, requiring the 185s to stay on that route?
The hopelessly optimistic May 2018 timetable had 6 diagrams for the basic Scarborough service and 6 diagrams for the basic Middlesbrough service, which matched the 12 from 13 plan. Then reality hit home, so there are no longer enough sets!
 

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Allocations for today, confirmed by sight, plus booked workings. Things can, of course, change.

68023 ‘Achilles’ plus TP07
1F58 0835 Scarborough-Liverpool
1E35 11:52 Liverpool-Scarborough
1F72 15:32 Scarborough-Liverpool
1E49 18:52 Liverpool-Scarborough
1P98 22:42 Scarborough-Liverpool

68022 ‘Resolution’ plus TP13
1F60 09:32 Scarborough-Liverpool
1E37 12:52 Liverpool-Scarborough
1F74 16:32 Scarborough-Liverpool
1E51 19:52 Liverpool-Scarborough

68025 ‘Superb’ plus TP06
5E27 07:46 Manchester Airport-Scarborough
5F64 11:32 Scarborough-Leeds
1F64 13:00 Leeds-Liverpool
1E42 14:52 Liverpool-Scarborough
1F78 18:32 Scarborough-Manchester Vic
1E53 21:15 Manchester Vic-Scarborough

68027 ‘Splendid’ plus TP09
1E29 09:27 Manchester Picc-Scarborough
1F66 12:32 Scarborough-Liverpool
1E43 15:52 Liverpool-Scarborough
1P92 19:32 Scarborough-Manchester Airport
 

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68025 came through Victoria at 0830, but the service had been cancelled.

So I had to get a 150 East instead!
 

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First three diagrams from sight, fourth from RealTimeTrains (and definitely unconfirmed as of 0900).

Things can change during the day, so worth keeping an eye on the TPE website

68025 ‘Superb’ plus TP06
1F50 0652 Manchester Victoria - Liverpool Lime Street
1E27 0754 Liverpool Lime Street - Scarborough
1F64 1134 Scarborough - Liverpool Lime Street
1E41 1454 Liverpool Lime Street - Scarborough
1F78 1834 Scarborough - Manchester Victoria
1E53 2115 Manchester Victoria - Scarborough

68022 ‘Resolution’ plus TP13
1F52 0534 Scarborough - Liverpool Lime Street
1E29 0854 Liverpool Lime Street - Scarborough
1F66 1234 Scarborough - Liverpool Lime Street
1E43 1554 Liverpool Lime Street - Scarborough
1P92 1934 Scarborough - Manchester Airport

68027 ‘Splendid’ plus TP09
1E23 0627 Manchester Piccadilly - Scarborough
1F60 0934 Scarborough - Liverpool Lime Street
1E37 1254 Liverpool Lime Street - Scarborough
1F74 1634 Scarborough - Liverpool Lime Street
1E51 1954 Liverpool Lime Street - Scarborough

185128
*Not confirmed as of 0900*
1E31 1200 York - Scarborough
1F68 1334 Scarborough - Liverpool Lime Street
1E45 1654 Liverpool Lime Street - Scarborough
1P94 2034 Scarborough - Manchester Piccadilly
 
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First three diagrams from sight, fourth from RealTimeTrains (and definitely unconfirmed as of 0900).

Things can change during the day, so worth keeping an eye on the TPE website

68025 ‘Superb’ plus TP06
1F50 0652 Manchester Victoria - Liverpool Lime Street
1E27 0754 Liverpool Lime Street - Scarborough
1F64 1134 Scarborough - Liverpool Lime Street
1E41 1454 Liverpool Lime Street - Scarborough
1F78 1834 Scarborough - Manchester Victoria
1E53 2115 Manchester Victoria - Scarborough

68022 ‘Resolution’ plus TP13
1F52 0534 Scarborough - Liverpool Lime Street
1E29 0854 Liverpool Lime Street - Scarborough
1F66 1234 Scarborough - Liverpool Lime Street
1E43 1554 Liverpool Lime Street - Scarborough
1P92 1934 Scarborough - Manchester Airport

68027 ‘Splendid’ plus TP09
1E23 0627 Manchester Piccadilly - Scarborough
1F60 0934 Scarborough - Liverpool Lime Street
1E37 1254 Liverpool Lime Street - Scarborough
1F74 1634 Scarborough - Liverpool Lime Street
1E51 1954 Liverpool Lime Street - Scarborough

68023 ‘Achilles’ plus TP07
*Not confirmed as of 0900*
1E31 1200 York - Scarborough
1F68 1334 Scarborough - Liverpool Lime Street
1E45 1654 Liverpool Lime Street - Scarborough
1P94 2034 Scarborough - Manchester Piccadilly
Thanks very much
 

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