On the platform at Nottingham, waiting for the next one (the wait should be well under an hour, given the delay!). It’s unfortunate, but exactly the same outcome as if/when the service is split. A through service does give a lot more certainty generally, though - yes, there’s the risk of this situation during severe disruption, but a minor delay in the future could mean (just) missed connections on a much more regular basis.
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Liverpool Norwich service to be split at Nottingham
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I’m inclined to agree, given the skilled juggling act being undertaken with various drivers an hour later, to try and avoid another cancellation!
dk1
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It's not such a big deal as there are plenty of options for food, drink & shelter at Nottingham. Westbound if under 40L there is always the option of the Northern Leeds service for stations as far as Sheffield too.
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Of course. Variety is the spice & all that. I often take obscure routes with the maximum number of changes on any journey. Part of the thrill is making tight or negative connections.
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Nottingham's platform 4 is really badly thought out. If the weather is bad then passengers, especially any with walking difficultieares, waiting or stepping out into the weather, find it is quite a walk to the business end of the station. Be interesting to see how the platform occupation is scheduled when the service is split.
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It would not surprise me if the Nottingham/Norwich services all used the bays at the east end** -- and the Nottingham/Liverpools used the western end of the station. (** - Apart from any services extended to/from Derby; in which case they will probably avoid sensible cross-platform changes, and make passengers cross the full width of the station.
dk1
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But I thought Norwich was going through to Derby.
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Those bays at the east end must ultimately save a fair bit of fuel on the route to Skeg (or Norwich) they are so far east from the main entrance to the station...
edwin_m
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For information there is only one "east end bay", platform 2, although platform 4 and the high-lettered parts of 1, 3, 6 and 7 are equally distant from the main entrance.
WillPS
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Is there a timetable for this split to happen yet?
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I have been told December 2020, though if that is correct then plans should be falling into place now.
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Almost certainly won't be happening for numerous reasons.
Killingworth
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At present EMR are struggling for compliant rolling stock to operate the service. Pairs of 156s, pairs of 153s with 158, and short formed 156 or 158 with or without a 153.
Just when TPE are starting to get their 6 coach operation into reliable action on the Sheffield-Manchester leg. Punctuality on this route is poor at the best of times without these handicaps.
Just when TPE are starting to get their 6 coach operation into reliable action on the Sheffield-Manchester leg. Punctuality on this route is poor at the best of times without these handicaps.
Short term planning formations each week basically. Some trains are now booked 158+156, 158+ 2 x 153 and a few 158 + 153 as 3 cars. Hopefully it will even out in the next few weeks.
Failed Unit
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Down to Greater Anglia, EMR are suffering because they refuse to release the 156s.
dk1
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Some did get released to EMR then came back. Good to see the cross industry support.
Failed Unit
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Yes. Where was it when EMT started.
Hopefully the ROSCO are giving lots of compensation as well to EMR for breaking the contract.I was happy to see the end of solo 153s as promised even if it is 2x 153. Just looks like Liverpool- Norwich are suffering again (like they did when EMT were forced to give up the centre cars to less crowded routes) - no cross-industry support back then.
Failed Unit
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Are the 153s kept on the same diagrams so people can try to avoid them?
grumpyoldman01
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Will the services which are proposed to start/finish at Sheffield from the December 2020 change be routed via the Erewash Valley or Derby?
Would be good publicity to claim that some direct services between Derby and East Anglia are being introduced a year early.
Also, for many years the Norwich service which departed Nottingham at about 8.30 started back from Derby, and was shown as a through train.
Would be good publicity to claim that some direct services between Derby and East Anglia are being introduced a year early.
Also, for many years the Norwich service which departed Nottingham at about 8.30 started back from Derby, and was shown as a through train.
I don't think any are starting from Sheffield. The plan from Dec 2021? is that the Liverpool to Norwich will be split at Nottingham. The Nottingham to Norwich part which will still be in EMR hands is going to be extended to Derby. Originally this was going to be joined to the Matlock Nottingham but I think that plan has changed. There will eventually be three EMR services an hour between Derby and Nottingham. Matlock:Nottingham Crewe:Newark Derby:Norwich
dk1
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During Central Trains days it originated at Birmingham New St.
grumpyoldman01
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We're talking at cross purposes.
I appreciate what the current proposals for December 2021 are, but my question relates to EMR's proposals for December 2020.
The December 2020 timetable change consultation leaflet available on EMR stations states that "An early morning Norwich service will now start from Sheffield instead of Nottingham" and "Evening services will now run through from Norwich to Sheffield to create more through journey opportunities . . . "; it also states that there will be "An additional late night service from Manchester Piccadilly to Nottingham". Nothing really is added to these statements when the on-line consultation document is viewed.
Hence my question; will these trains go via the Erewash or via Derby?
Killingworth
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I heard someone else claim the same near Ilkeston yesterday. I travelled from Liverpool in one of two 153s with a 156 a fortnight ago. The blue colour scheme may make it appear as if they're all 153s instead of the 2x158s we'd got used to.
The Erewash. The whole point is to replace the Sheffield to London via Nottingham service which is being withdrawn to provide a commuter train into Nottingham and connections to Leicester and London.
You saw a 156 and 2 153s, which have frequently been working Nottingham to Liverpool and back with a set swap with a 158 working Norwich to Nottingham and turning back.
On one occasion so far since New Year the 156 and 2 x 153s went through to Norwich, that was on Sunday on the 1252 from Liverpool and 1856 ish return from Norwich.
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