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modernrail

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Seems reasonable, as far as I'm aware their planned debut this month did not go ahead? Putting the full introduction date back a month accordingly seems a fair response. I don't imagine much work will be taking place between now and the new year. Good to see that BJ has finally formalised the derogation for PRM-TSI though, so presumably there'll be no impact other than the current maintenance backlog.
BJ hasn't formalised anything, the Sec of State for Transport has. He acts under his own delegated authority and Cabinet decision making processes, not the authority of BJ.
 

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how far will it get before failing spectacularly I wonder?

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well, on the test trips / training trips, when we have looked out of the box window, it has gone storming past the box at fair old rate of knots !
 

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BJ hasn't formalised anything, the Sec of State for Transport has. He acts under his own delegated authority and Cabinet decision making processes, not the authority of BJ.
In the UK system, executive power is delegated from the crown to the PM following conventions and the PM subdelegates it as he sees fit so you can argue whether it is PM or minister who has authority but it definitely is not the cabinet process in itself without the PM - but this is not important.
 

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Excuse my poor knowledge but are the couplings of any likely Thunderbird locos compatible with the 745s? I know they were hauled to the UK so I guess so? I suppose they will be rescued in the same way as the 90's? And additionally i was wondering if the couplings on the 755's might make set join ups off the branches at Ipswich any easier (for continuing along the mainline)?
 

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The 745 carry’s it’s own emergency coupler under the coach E. they can only couple mechanical as no electrical box fitted on the 745.
 

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According to Rail Magazine correspondent Richard Clinnick - 4 to 8 weeks for 745's to enter passenger service.

I love the optimism of the first post on the thread from 30th October.
That was 30th October 2019 if someone is reading this message in a years time and the mark 3's are still running.
 

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Sorry if it’s already in here... but when will the 90s finish?
It's more like in here:
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A year ago tomorrow for my final commute of 2018 I thought to myself “it won’t be a 90 and Mk3s this time next year”.

I have already had my final commute of 2019 and it was a 90 with a reduced number of Mk3s.

Fortunately (not without its problems) this part of Anglia is further advanced in the fleet replacements than elsewhere.
 

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A year ago tomorrow for my final commute of 2018 I thought to myself “it won’t be a 90 and Mk3s this time next year”.

I have already had my final commute of 2019 and it was a 90 with a reduced number of Mk3s.

Fortunately (not without its problems) this part of Anglia is further advanced in the fleet replacements than elsewhere.
Yes..but the 90s and Mk3s performing better than ever ..based on the evidence of my last few runs. And drivers seem to be enjoying driving them too.
Based on my conversations with GA/Stadler staff ..the 745s are almost ready.
 

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If I had to have a bet, it would be for the last scheduled run with a '90' to be on or around 1st May.
To finish, perhaps a special 'home run' from The Street, specially prepped 'Tin Rocket' on the front, load 7, non-stop. No, not even call Ipswich. Special cleared path, sched. 85 mins. £100 ticket very quick sellout. :cake::cake:
Out of necessity, full working toilets.
Or was that 1st April? :)
 

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I love the optimism of the first post on the thread from 30th October.
That was 30th October 2019 if someone is reading this message in a years time and the mark 3's are still running.

So 8 weeks would have been on / around 8th November, and we are looking at 8th Jan, so not that bad in the scheme of things, no doubt put back a bit more by the 755 issues, and the ban on all 5Qxx running, so no driver / route training etc
 

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Saw a 745 go through Diss at 10.00 this morning at full speed, couldn't catch its number. Obviously testing continues over the season.
 

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Saw a 745 go through Diss at 10.00 this morning at full speed, couldn't catch its number. Obviously testing continues over the season.

007 Came through Stow about 10AM, following a 321 which had stopped on the normal Norwich - London.
 

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We know there are more IC diagrams then there are IC 745s so will they use the Stansted 745s to make up for the shortfall (like for the NI90)?
Stansted already has 379s so it doesn't make sense to keep 90s so Stansted can have slightly newer rolling stock.
 

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We know there are more IC diagrams then there are IC 745s so will they use the Stansted 745s to make up for the shortfall (like for the NI90)?
Stansted already has 379s so it doesn't make sense to keep 90s so Stansted can have slightly newer rolling stock.
Several Norwich services are planned with 745/1s anyway. Airport services will easily be exchangeable with 720s should the need arise as all drivers on the West will sign both.
 

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Hopefully when they start to enter service, if GA are happy a few more will get ordered.
 

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Several Norwich services are planned with 745/1s anyway. Airport services will easily be exchangeable with 720s should the need arise as all drivers on the West will sign both.
West Anglia never gets good stuff because it doesn't serve Norfolk so I expect some West 745s will probably be reallocated to Norwich permanently.
 

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West Anglia never gets good stuff because it doesn't serve Norfolk so I expect some West 745s will probably be reallocated to Norwich permanently.
Well they are allocated to & maintained at Crown Point.
 

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Urgh not this again, it's been done to death that stanex 745's will be moved to Anglia work and never operate on airports. The consensus however seems to be that yes they will, and due to timetable changes and moving stuff around, everything will mostly end up where it's supposed to, re stock for services.
If they can run 321's to Norwich no then there's no reason why 720's won't run on Norwich trains. I will say that using 720's on either Norwich or Stansted trains will likely be a bad choice as they have a huge amount of seats and not much room for anything else like luggage...
 

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I thought we already knew the 720s will be 3rd tph into Norwich anyway, interested to see how busy that is if and when it happens
 

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We don't know anything really yet.

That 720's will operate the third service or that StanEx units will are both just rumours thrown around here.

I don't believe we have had any official statement or confirmation from the GA staff here, so only the bid team and the planners know.
 

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That 720's will operate the third service or that StanEx units will are both just rumours thrown around here.
It’s not a rumour. One of the franchise obligations in the bid was to extend the Ipswich stopper to Norwich. Like the Liverpool St - Lowestoft through service, there is a realistic chance it never happens and get silently axed.
 
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It’s not a rumour. One of the franchise obligations in the bid was to extend the Ipswich stopper to Norwich. Like the Liverpool St - Lowestoft through service, there is a realistic chance it never happens and get silently axed.
Yes, but isn't it operationally a better way of increasing capacity at Ipswich station by not having units stabling for up to 20 minutes in platforms and having to cross over the main running lines. The Ipswich stopper creates a pathing headache as it has to run wrong line through Ipswich Tunnel before crossing to the up main> This is one of the services that slows down the Nin90 down service through Ipswich.
 
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