Grimsby Town to Long Eaton 12 and 13 Jan

Hi there,

I'm wondering if someone can help me please?

I'm going to West Hallam for a funeral on the 13 Jan, staying the night before in a hotel near Long Eaton.

The funeral is in West Hallam.

I'm wondering what the best destination would be to allow me the most flexibility with regard to getting home?

Is a Grimsby to Derby return valid via Long Eaton? Nottingham?

I have no railcard, it's just me travelling, and I want flexibility over price on this occasion.

In fact, I've just spotted that it's the same fare. Is there a permitted route to Derby that goes through Long Eaton?

I've edited the thread title, to take account of what I have found.

I've discovered that the price of an Off-Peak return ticket to Long Eaton is the same as to Derby. As my hotel is a short taxi ride or a yomp away, from Long Eaton, I can travel there on the Sunday.

The return journey is valid via both the route Derby-Sheffield-Grimsby Town, and Nottingham-Newark-Lincoln-Grimsby Town.

As I don't know what the plans are for the Monday, and as I will be requiring a lift to a railhead, I believe this is the flexibility that I require, and that I can get a lift to any of Long Eaton, Derby or Nottingham.

Restriction code is 2O. It doesn't expressly bar BoJ, so does that mean that I can break and resume at any intermediate station on both the outward and return?

Now, there's a vague possibility that all I can get is a lift to Ilkeston which has 1tph to Leeds and 1tph to Nottingham. I assume that if I am to take a train from this station, I must get a single ticket either to Nottingham or to Sheffield in order to pick up the routing for my original ticket. Have I understood correctly?

It's good that you explained about Long Eaton, as I doubt many people using the forum will have heard of West Hallam!

DeeGee said:

Now, there's a vague possibility that all I can get is a lift to Ilkeston which has 1tph to Leeds and 1tph to Nottingham. I assume that if I am to take a train from this station, I must get a single ticket either to Nottingham or to Sheffield in order to pick up the routing for my original ticket. Have I understood correctly?

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I think that if you travel from Ilkeston you will need a single to either Nottingham or Chesterfield, the points where you would intercept a permitted route between Derby and Grimsby.

DeeGee said:

Restriction code is 2O. It doesn't expressly bar BoJ, so does that mean that I can break and resume at any intermediate station on both the outward and return?

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If the ticket type doesn't bar Break of Journey (as an Advance does, for example) and the restriction code doesn't list any restrictions on it, then it's permitted. Neither bar BoJ in this case so it's perfectly permitted.

DeeGee said:

Now, there's a vague possibility that all I can get is a lift to Ilkeston which has 1tph to Leeds and 1tph to Nottingham. I assume that if I am to take a train from this station, I must get a single ticket either to Nottingham or to Sheffield in order to pick up the routing for my original ticket. Have I understood correctly?

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Ilkeston is on a permitted route from Long Eaton to Grimsby Town, but officially only if you go from Long Eaton to Nottingham, then north to Sheffield via Ilkeston, and then take the route via Retford and Brigg to Barnetby (and then Grimsby). The latter is only served by a very sparse Saturday service of 3 trains each way, so it's unlikely to be of use for you. In practice, it's also a permitted route to go from Long Eaton to Grimsby via Sheffield, Doncaster and Scunthorpe provided you go via Derby and Belper (not via Nottingham/Ilkeston).

Sinceyou would be changing trains at Sheffield on either permitted route, there's no way the TPE guard would know what service you were on beforehand (unless your ticket was stamped in such a way as to identify the service or TOC you were on). I'd wager that, if anything, the ticket might attract the most confusion on the Northern train from Ilkeston, and that in either case it's highly unlikely there will be any problems using it from Ilkeston via Sheffield and Doncaster. It's rather illogical that the route via Nottingham is only permitted if going via Brigg, and not if going via Scunthorpe. I suspect it's probably an oversight more than anything else.

gwrtimetable19 said:

If the ticket type doesn't bar Break of Journey (as an Advance does, for example) and the restriction code doesn't list any restrictions on it, then it's permitted. Neither bar BoJ in this case so it's perfectly permitted.

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Thanks

gwrtimetable19 said:

Ilkeston is on a permitted route from Long Eaton to Grimsby Town, but officially only if you go from Long Eaton to Nottingham, then north to Sheffield via Ilkeston, and then take the route via Retford and Brigg to Barnetby (and then Grimsby). The latter is only served by a very sparse Saturday service of 3 trains each way, so it's unlikely to be of use for you. In practice, it's also a permitted route to go from Long Eaton to Grimsby via Sheffield, Doncaster and Scunthorpe provided you go via Derby and Belper (not via Nottingham/Ilkeston).

Sinceyou would be changing trains at Sheffield on either permitted route, there's no way the TPE guard would know what service you were on beforehand (unless your ticket was stamped in such a way as to identify the service or TOC you were on). I'd wager that, if anything, the ticket might attract the most confusion on the Northern train from Ilkeston, and that in either case it's highly unlikely there will be any problems using it from Ilkeston via Sheffield and Doncaster. It's rather illogical that the route via Nottingham is only permitted if going via Brigg, and not if going via Scunthorpe. I suspect it's probably an oversight more than anything else.

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So does this means that, if I get a lift to Nottingham, I can take a train in either direction, either to Sheffield or to Newark, as Long Eaton to Grimsby is valid via Nottingham in both those directions?

DeeGee said:

So does this means that, if I get a lift to Nottingham, I can take a train in either direction, either to Sheffield or to Newark, as Long Eaton to Grimsby is valid via Nottingham in both those directions?

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Yes, from Nottingham you can go either via Sheffield or via Newark. If you take a train to Sheffield (good luck - the reliability of that service is/was appalling!) you should theoretically only proceed via Brigg. In practice it is very unlikely you will have any difficulties going via the hourly TPE service via Scunthorpe (assuming that isn't cancelled too!).

gwrtimetable19 said:

If you take a train to Sheffield (good luck - the reliability of that service is/was appalling!) you should theoretically only proceed via Brigg. In practice it is very unlikely you will have any difficulties going via the hourly TPE service via Scunthorpe (assuming that isn't cancelled too!).

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You're starting to make me doubt the decision to go by train at all, what with bustitution going on on the Sunday as well...

Which route is more reliable? I'm guessing that if I can call the shots on a lift, Derby-Sheffield-Grimsby is a better choice, with more comfortable trains and a more frequent service? But I've never taken the train from Nottingham to Newark, so it'll be interesting, but I'm guessing that's more for a time when I've got decent plans rather than a hope to "turn up and go"?

DeeGee said:

You're starting to make me doubt the decision to go by train at all, what with bustitution going on on the Sunday as well...

Which route is more reliable? I'm guessing that if I can call the shots on a lift, Derby-Sheffield-Grimsby is a better choice, with more comfortable trains and a more frequent service? But I've never taken the train from Nottingham to Newark, so it'll be interesting, but I'm guessing that's more for a time when I've got decent plans rather than a hope to "turn up and go"?

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You can have a gander over at recenttraintimes.co.uk to see recent punctuality statistics of each given service. I haven't heard of nearly as many problems (cancellation/delay wise) on the EMR regional routes as on the other services but I know that the route via Market Rasen is also quite infrequently served. I think if there's a journey opportunity that way which lines up well with your time of travel I'd go for it.

gwrtimetable19 said:

You can have a gander over at recenttraintimes.co.uk to see recent punctuality statistics of each given service.

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Thanks for this, I hadn't seen this site.

Just in case it is of any use to you Trent Bus timetables for West Hallam are here

https://www.trentbarton.co.uk/services/blackcat
https://www.trentbarton.co.uk/services/blackcat/timetable

Beware that Trent are one of the few transport operators to insist on still using the 12 hour clock!! So check AM and PM

Derby Bus station and centre of Ilkeston (where most buses go from) are not close to the respective railway stations. But I see the route does pass Langley Mill station (a bit near the timing point at Langley Mill Trent Bus depot) - to get a decent map you need this
https://www.trentbarton.co.uk/services/blackcat/maps-and-times

as the schematic maps that are easiest to find on their website are useless if you do not know the area.

Langley Mill station is just a halt though, so not many options in the event of missed bus interchange etc. It may present an option.

WesternLancer said:

Just in case it is of any use to you Trent Bus timetables for West Hallam are here

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Thanks ever so much for this. I've found another bus which goes past the church at the south of the village(?) - 59 - but that's also hourly and leaves at approximately the same time as the Black Cat. It's almost as if one operator is trying to force the other one out of business...

DeeGee said:

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Thanks ever so much for this. I've found another bus which goes past the church at the south of the village(?) - 59 - but that's also hourly and leaves at approximately the same time as the Black Cat. It's almost as if one operator is trying to force the other one out of business...

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Hmm

that's odd though as I see the 59 is operated by Notts and Derby buses who are owned by Wellglade Group - who own...Trent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellglade_Group

so in this case that can't be the reason (unusually!)

If faced with a choice though, Trent buses do run high quality buses on their routes so I'd opt for them as 1st choice.

WesternLancer said:

Hmm

that's odd though as I see the 59 is operated by Notts and Derby buses who are owned by Wellglade Group - who own...Trent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellglade_Group

so in this case that can't be the reason (unusually!)

If faced with a choice though, Trent buses do run high quality buses on their routes so I'd opt for them as 1st choice.

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Weird. Literally a minute apart, from stops less than one minute's walk apart. Now, I realise that the bus system in this part of the East Midlands isn't specially designed to cater for the people of West Hallam, so I assume there to be some logic elsewhere on the routes.

I don't know where the wake will be yet, so I may yet have to do more research...