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I noticed on the marketing they’ve put up on the temporary barrier walls they’ve now put up whilst working on Platform Zero at Leeds they refer to it always as ‘Platform Zero’ rather than ‘Platform 0’

When it opens will it be referred to as ‘Platform Zero’ in signage terms as the artist impressions seem to show or the more sensible ‘Platform 0’ in line with all the other platforms, I think Kings Cross just uses the numeral?
 
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Most stations do use 'Platform 0', yes; I assume it would be numbered in this way as well.
 
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Railway staff are trained to use the phonetic alphabet in which “O” is a letter only and “Zero” is numerical. I’ll guess that is where “Platform Zero” has come from.
 
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Was changing trains at Leeds a few days ago and overheard two members of staff talking to each other (no idea staff of which part of railway). One was saying "of course, what the public aren't told is that platform 0 will do nothing to help the operation of the station". Is that rather mis-informed or is there some element of truth in it?
 
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It'll be 0, the CIS already has 0a, 0b and 0c subsections programmed in!
 
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Isn't the gain from Pl. 0 the ability to run longer trains up the Airedale lines? So the gains won't be in operating Leeds Station and certainly not HS2?
 
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Is this new Platform Zero intended for HS2 trains or local Skipton/Bradford Forster Square/Ilkley trains?

Also is the HS2 station being planned to be at New Lane, or have those proposals been scrapped?
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Platform Zero is for local trains. HS2 changed its initial plans, bringing the HS2 terminating platforms further north to meet platform 16 just next to the new southern entrance, so there will be one big Leeds station incorporating HS2 platforms perpendicular to everything else.
 
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Platform 0 will add capacity to Leeds station. It will also enable simultaneous arrival and departures from platforms 1-3 where a parallel move is not currently possible.
 
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If I understand the plan correctly, Platforms 0-4 will be used as 1-5 are now, and as another post says access to 1-3 will be made easier, allowing parallel moves. Platform 1 (at least) is being shortened.

Platform 5 is being extended to accommodate LNER services, so 5 and 6 will be for London, the big gain thus being the freeing up of 8, which is currently blocked 30 minutes in each hour by an LNER set, as a long through platform which can hold more than one train.

The original plan, to join 10 and 13 as a new through platform, is on hold, or maybe dropped??

If it is ever built the Leeds HS2 station, will, on current plans, sit on top of, and at right angles to, the existing station, towards its eastern end, with a common concourse with the existing station.
 
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Makes sense to shorten P1, as it was built to take a full length ECML set, was used for London services during the rebuild, but isn't needed for that now. Only sees the Harrogate and Skipton reversals on occasion in recent years, and there are other options (6 & 8) for those services.
 
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When is platform 0 due to be completed and signed off?
 
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Didn't they have a platform W in the 1990s or was I hallucinating?! :D
 
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xotGD said:
How can it take over a year to get this platform into operation? It makes Crossrail look like a fast-track project.
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It's more than just providing a platform, there are other related changes that have to be fitted, in usable chunks, around a working railway.
 
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xotGD said:
How can it take over a year to get this platform into operation? It makes Crossrail look like a fast-track project.
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Quite simply, other than disruptive weekend blocks, you can only get 3-4 hours of usable working time on track on a Saturday night. Even then some lines are required to stay open limiting what can be done. Midweek is a no go at all, as by the time its earthed up its time to hand back. Leeds is a very busy hub/through route leading to very limited track time availability

Christmas was a big part of the enabling works to remove OLE structures that were in the way of the new track layout.
 
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Wharfe106 said:
If I understand the plan correctly, Platforms 0-4 will be used as 1-5 are now, and as another post says access to 1-3 will be made easier, allowing parallel moves. Platform 1 (at least) is being shortened.
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Switching 1-5 for 0-4 seems sensible given the potential better utilisation of Platform 8.

I guess the question I have is that Northern are holding off running longer trains (2 x 3 car 331s) on the Airedale until Platform 0 is completed - as they claim they can't currently stack them on the existing platforms due to length. Yet from the post above the only change to capacity would be a shortening of platform 1? How is that going to magically create more space when using 0-4 rather than 1-5?

Or are Northern just using it as an excuse?
 
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Allwinter_Kit said:
Switching 1-5 for 0-4 seems sensible given the potential better utilisation of Platform 8.

I guess the question I have is that Northern are holding off running longer trains (2 x 3 car 331s) on the Airedale until Platform 0 is completed - as they claim they can't currently stack them on the existing platforms due to length. Yet from the post above the only change to capacity would be a shortening of platform 1? How is that going to magically create more space when using 0-4 rather than 1-5?

Or are Northern just using it as an excuse?
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Its not just about gaining platform length, P1-3 previously couldn't handle parallel moves as I understand it. The reworking and P0 will allow more moves meaning they can better maximise the platform capacity. And there's nothing to say they can't still use P5 & P6 even when P0 opens, especially for the 2*331 workings when they start.
 
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Allwinter_Kit said:
Switching 1-5 for 0-4 seems sensible given the potential better utilisation of Platform 8.

I guess the question I have is that Northern are holding off running longer trains (2 x 3 car 331s) on the Airedale until Platform 0 is completed - as they claim they can't currently stack them on the existing platforms due to length. Yet from the post above the only change to capacity would be a shortening of platform 1? How is that going to magically create more space when using 0-4 rather than 1-5?

Or are Northern just using it as an excuse?
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I will stand corrected, but the 'platform length issue' relates largely to the lengths of platforms along the Aire and Wharfe lines - not those at Leeds - on which work has been long delayed.

Platform 0 will give the capacity for 2x 4-car trains, and, while I am not sure I was correct when I said Platform 5 will be used for London trains, there will be extra capacity through P8, if only because of the space vacated by LNER trains operating to Bradford and Harrogate.
 
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Wharfe106 said:
I will stand corrected, but the 'platform length issue' relates largely to the lengths of platforms along the Aire and Wharfe lines - not those at Leeds - on which work has been long delayed.
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Aaah, I thought (potentially erroneously) that SDO was mitigating the need to lengthen platforms on the Aire/Wharfe outside of Leeds, hence the hold up was now related to the stacking of services at Leeds.

However whilst I remember reading/hearing that somewhere I can't find it now so my apologies for sharing wibble!
 
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geoffk said:
Surely platform W was on the Whitehall curve near Holbeck.
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No, that was a separate thing. Platform W was what is now platform 1 (the W designation was to avoid having to mess with the signalling. W standing for Wellington, which was the name of that part of the station when it was a separate facility).

The temporary platform on Whitehall curve was called Leeds (Whitehall). Though do recall that it wasn't unheard of for people to confuse the two.
 
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61653 HTAFC said:
No, that was a separate thing. Platform W was what is now platform 1 (the W designation was to avoid having to mess with the signalling. W standing for Wellington, which was the name of that part of the station when it was a separate facility).

The temporary platform on Whitehall curve was called Leeds (Whitehall). Though do recall that it wasn't unheard of for people to confuse the two.
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OK thanks. Dublin Heuston used to have a platform similarly remote from the main station, on the Phoenix Park line. I think they ran a bus to it!
 
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geoffk said:
OK thanks. Dublin Heuston used to have a platform similarly remote from the main station, on the Phoenix Park line. I think they ran a bus to it!
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The Whitehall platform was linked to the main station by bus link. Think it only got used for Knottingley and Sheffield via Castleford services, but if I'm wrong I'm sure someone will correct me!
 
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