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Northern Pacer Withdrawals - Info?

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anamyd said:
The 142 Wikipedia article is now claiming that TfW Rail have a fifth "spare parts" unit - 142049. When did this one move...? Was it moved by road like the fourth, or by rail like the first three...?
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It was still there at gascoigne Wood yesterday so I assume it’s still just 2 at Landore and 1 at Cardiff
 
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SteveyBee131 said:
Do you mean the small extra air intake grille thing that many FNW 142s got? What was that in aid of anyway?
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I'd say probably related to cab heaters, ex-FNW 142s (including Merseyrail ones) had two separate cab heater controls for drivers side and guards side. Ex-ATN (Heaton) 142s only have one cab heater switch which operates blowers on both sides of the cab. Some ex-Merseyrail 142s didn't have the extra vent on the cab front, though all of them certainly had the second cab heater switch mod. The Heaton 142s have by far the better cab heating most likely due to bring less draughty as the cab/saloon bulkhead is properly flush to the exterior walls on Heaton units (Newton Heath units have a gap of a couple of inches all around that bulkhead with black foam stuffed into it) and I suspect that some draughtproofing within the cab fronts was dispensed with on Newton Heath 142s.
 
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superkev said:
Thankyou, interesting.
The point I was making was I still cant get my head around how Northern can manage without the remaining 47 Pacers and 20 153s without more hand me down units.
It would be interesting to know how many dmus Northern actually need out to operate a full peak service and how many are typically in or awaiting repair/ maintenance.
Happy new year to all.
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There's still around 20 195s to enter service, and if the 769s ever enter service they could free up around 14 sprinters, but agree that it's still likely there will be a shortfall especially once the 153s are gone.

I suspect Northern are optimistic on the percentage of the fleet they expect to be in use each day going by the shortforms. Currently there's a Leeds - Knottingley diagram and a Blackpool - York left uncovered due to unit shortages which has caused cancellations throughout the day, as well as a Leeds - Nottingham and Leeds - Wigan being cancelled for the same reasons. That suggests Northern are at least 4 units short just around Leeds today, and once you factor in the December timetable change reduced the number of double sets it's not a great picture
 
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northernchris said:
There's still around 20 195s to enter service, and if the 769s ever enter service they could free up around 14 sprinters, but agree that it's still likely there will be a shortfall especially once the 153s are gone.

I suspect Northern are optimistic on the percentage of the fleet they expect to be in use each day going by the shortforms. Currently there's a Leeds - Knottingley diagram and a Blackpool - York left uncovered due to unit shortages which has caused cancellations throughout the day, as well as a Leeds - Nottingham and Leeds - Wigan being cancelled for the same reasons. That suggests Northern are at least 4 units short just around Leeds today, and once you factor in the December timetable change reduced the number of double sets it's not a great picture
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Yes, my thoughts entirely. Anyone any spare dmus?
Also after the PRM works I reckon they have around 70 dmus to complete the interior refresh to "as new condition" which will take quite a while.
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IamTrainsYT said:
It was still there at gascoigne Wood yesterday so I assume it’s still just 2 at Landore and 1 at Cardiff
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Seems to be false info then. And as 142033 has in fact gone to South Wales Police not TfW Rail, yes it will just be those 3.
 
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IamTrainsYT said:
I head Angel we’re selling them for about £7000, not sure about transportation costs
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I think it underlines how broken UK railways are and what a raw deal Northern passengers were getting when you consider annual leasing costs on these were in excess of £125,000. Now they the Pacers have some competition in the 195s the leasing company only want £7,000 from willing bidders to buy the things outright.
 
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NorthernSpirit said:
I've marked it and 142030 as "unit to be preserved", likewise with 142033 (which is marked as converted to other use) which apparently is being used by South Wales Police. List updated as of Wednesday 1st January 2020.


Red - withdrawn.
Orange - scrapped.
Yellow - converted to other use (does not include food tins or razor blades).
Green - modified for Passengers of Reduced Mobility.
Blue - in storage.
Purple - preserved.


Class 142
001 - Unit preserved. Due to move to the National Railway Museum in York.
002
003 - In storage at Barrow
004
005 - First to be withdrawn, now scrapped (updated as of 7th December 2019)
006
007 - In storage at Barrow
008 - Scrapped (Collided with a class 87 at Winsford in 1999).
009 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
010
011
012 - at Landore TMD? being stripped of spare parts.
013
014
015 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
016 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
017 - in storage at Worksop
018
019 - in storage at Worksop
020 - in storage at Worksop
021 - was in storage at Botanic Gardens Hull, now at Gascoigne Wood.
022 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
023
024
025 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
026 - was in storage at Botanic Gardens Hull, now at Gascoigne Wood.
027 - in storage at Worksop
028 - In storage at Barrow
029 - Unit preserved at Chasewater Railway.
030 - Unit to be preserved at Chasewater Railway (Is this confirmed?)
031 - in storage at Holbeck, Leeds.
032
033 - Unit being used (as what?) by South Wales Police at Bridgend.
034 - In storage at Barrow
035
036 - Unit to be preserved at East Kent Railway, said unit is still in service at Northern.
037 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
038 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
039 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
040 - In storage at Barrow
041
042 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
043
044 - Scrapped, second class 142 unit to be dismantled at CF Booths (the first being 005).
045
046 - In storage at Barrow
047
048 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
049 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
050 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury?
051
052 - in storage at Worksop
053 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
054
055
056 - In storage at Barrow
057 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
058
059 - Scrapped (Collided with buffer stops at Liverpool Lime Street in 1991.)
060 - was in storage at Botanic Gardens Hull, now at Gascoigne Wood.
061
062
063
064 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
065
066 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
067
068
069
070
071
072
073
074
075
076
077
078
079 - at Landore TMD? being stripped of spare parts.
080
081
082
083
084 - in storage at Worksop
085
086 - at Canton, stripped of spare parts.
087
088 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury.
089
090
091 - in storage at Worksop
092 - in storage at Holbeck, Leeds
093 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury.
094
095
096 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury. The last of the class lost for good.

Class 143
601
602
603 - set to be preserved at the Swindon and Cricklade Railway
604
605
606
607
608
609
610
611
612
613 - Scrapped (Unit caught fire near Nailsea & Backwell in 2004).
614
615 - Scrapped (Unit caught fire in 2005).
616
617
618
619
620
621
622
623
624
625

Class 144 - All units stabled at Neville Hill.
001
002
003 - set to be preserved at the Great Central Railway at Ruddington.
004
005
006
007
008
009
010
011
012 - 144 Evolution has full PRM modifications.
013
014
015
016
017
018
019
020
021
022
023
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very helpful table. No doubt updates re-posted most welcome!
 
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Does anyone know if the pacers stored at Barrow are visible from the station, if not the best way to see them, I still need 007 and 034.
I also need 032, can’t see any info on this on the thread. My other need is 004, any info would be much appreciated.
 
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REL said:
Does anyone know if the pacers stored at Barrow are visible from the station, if not the best way to see them, I still need 007 and 034.
I also need 032, can’t see any info on this on the thread. My other need is 004, any info would be much appreciated.
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004 was paired with 055 on Monday just gone. It went to Stalybridge from Southport IRC.
I think its one of the stayers and based at Newton Heath for the time being.
 
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REL said:
Does anyone know if the pacers stored at Barrow are visible from the station, if not the best way to see them, I still need 007 and 034.
I also need 032, can’t see any info on this on the thread. My other need is 004, any info would be much appreciated.
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Post #2026 has something on the barrow units, 32 is warm stored at Heaton and 142004 is in service at newton Heath. 142004 is supposed to be staying till the beginning of June however 142032 is not this will most likely be on one of the Heaton - gascoigne wood runs this week. There is a thread here for class 142 sightings https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/northern-class-142-sightings.173851/
 
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If they are still in the same place they were when they arrived 34 is against the buffers at the station end, visible from the depot access road through the gate. 007 is in the row that backs onto the houses and can be seen from the alleyway that runs down the back of the terraced houses. Go out of the station, turn right and it's a 5 minute walk, if that.
 
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Important caveat on the dates: just because the dispensation says a particular date, it doesn't necessarily mean a fleet will be in service or staying until then. It is a "drop dead" date.

As an example, XC have a dispensation for one HST set. In the event, it isn't needed as the last non-compliant set was stopped before the new year and has now gone to Wabtec.
 
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