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Next Labour Leader - Confirmed as Keir Starmer

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GRALISTAIR

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It might help if people in the clown army listened to a bloke who, you know, won 3 elections for Labour. Alternatively, I suspect they will continue to listen to the bloke who lost three elections, the last one in a completely humiliating and depressing manner. At least he won the argument though.

The man should have quit the day after the election.

PS this Blair is a war criminal stuff is tedious.
You just named that tune in one. All points correct.
 

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Water - from where it gets it now, the Thames and various boreholes within Greater London.

Gas - where the rest of the country gets it from, mostly from the EU, Norway and Qatar.

Electircity - where it gets it from now, the London Array, France, Belgium, Holland and other parts of the Grid.
No problem..............as long as none of the supply lines pass through the Remainder of the UK. If London thinks it can swan off with the wealth allowing the rest to sink it can think again.

Remember, Hong Kong island had the wealth but without the New territories it wasn't viable.
 

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London "swanning-off" is no different than Brexit.

It happens when people don't want to share out the cake evenly (or at all).

We have just become a very greedy nation.
 

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London "swanning-off" is no different than Brexit.

It happens when people don't want to share out the cake evenly (or at all).

We have just become a very greedy nation.
An excellent confirmation that, post Brexit, the UK will not be the economic basket case predicted by some.
 

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Keir Starmer is the sort of Labour politician I used to be wary of (not only a lawyer, but a human rights lawyer), but given he is just about the only candidate for the leader's job who has any sort of real-life success, I don't see who else can be effective as party leader.

The alternatives: Lady Nugee, Titania McGrath lookalike Rebecca Wrong-Daily, 30-something grandmother Angela Rayner, thick-as-two-short planks Burgon; are truly horrifying.

I think Labour are going to have to accept that they are pretty much done for the time being in the Midlands outside the big cities (Mansfield is staying blue now), and in many of the northern seats they lost (and trends may see them lose in places like Hartlepool and Sunderland given time).

There has been a big realignment in politics, and a majority of ordinary small-town and suburban/Ex-urban whites see Labour as having nothing to offer them at best (if they are not viewed as actively hostile to their interests).

Labour remain the party for urban areas with high numbers of ethnic minorities (London/Leicester/Brum/Manchester/Bradford/Blackburn), very-high-levels of deprivation and cultural aversion to voting Conservative (South Wales Valleys, Merseyside, Tyneside), and areas with lots of academics and well-paid public sector workers (which are often the posh bits (West Wirral, Tynemouth etc.) of places already mentioned). Rapid demographic change is going to hand them wins over the Tories almost by default in the working-class suburbs of outer-London (and perhaps in some provincial cities). It is here, in bohemian semi-rural places (Stroud, High Peak), and anywhere with a University or teaching hospital that is not already red that offer the chance for revival.

A prominent role for Jess Phillips (another Labourite of the sort I'd be wary off*, middle-class with nepotistic connections, loudmouth, lazy-feminist opinions) might keep on board the significant minority of ordinary folk who have stayed loyal to Labour, and help win back some of the more surprising losses.


*Although I much prefer her to the similar middle-class with connections Luciana Berger
 

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Sir Keir Starmer well ahead in the polling done thus far. How will the Politburo stitch it up so he doesn’t make it onto the ballot?
 

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Jess Phillips has also announced she's standing.

So I make that...

Clive Lewis
Emily Thornberry
Lisa Nandy
Jess Phillips

...as the confirmed candidates, with the following expected to stand...

Rebecca Long-Bailey
Keir Starmer
 

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Nandy for me.

She's not got a condescending attitude and was horrendously hounded for not supporting Corbyn.
 

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Jess Phillips or Sir Keir for me. My concern is that the Corbynite Politburo..er...I mean NEC will stitch things up so they don’t get on the ballot.
 

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Can I get odd on him announcing he's standing for leader again?

I’m waiting for him to say he’s not standing down at all, thus cancelling the contest. Or, he’ll stand again, and the lemmings will vote for him to be leader. Communists don’t usually resign...
 

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Jess Phillips or Sir Keir for me. My concern is that the Corbynite Politburo..er...I mean NEC will stitch things up so they don’t get on the ballot.

Sadly I don't think Jess Phillips has the "je ne sais quoi" to cut it with voters who don't normally vote Labour. Whether people like it or not Blair had this in spades, hence why he won 3 GE's. I also think Starmer is too tainted by his association with the current regime and the Tory press will ultimately murder him for that.

For some obscure reason, Tory leaders don't seem to need to have this general "likeability" factor so much to get elected, Boris Johnson (and Margaret Thatcher) being prime examples! Although it definitely worked against them when William Hague was their leader.
 
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Starmer played both sides a little. But, out of the list of people to choose from thus far, we have Clive Lewis and are likely to get Wrong-Daily, and they are total jokes, complete figures of fun. Starmer, Phillips and Nandy do at least have some credibility...
 

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Initially I was against Starmer but him and Phillips are top 2 for me. He did advocate for Labour to become a remain party, and, if listened to, would've cost us even more seats, but in the end he presents himself as a statesman and a leader, if a little bland at times, but what we need is someone non controversial who can lead.
 

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Initially I was against Starmer but him and Phillips are top 2 for me. He did advocate for Labour to become a remain party, and, if listened to, would've cost us even more seats, but in the end he presents himself as a statesman and a leader, if a little bland at times, but what we need is someone non controversial who can lead.

In my view both JP and KS would have quite a mountain to climb to win over northern voters after their remain stance. Starmer has the added hindrance of being another London-centric Labour politician, just a couple of minutes down the road from the Corbyn, Abbott and Lammy show. Indeed to me Starmer comes over as quite condescending and lacking charisma, whilst Phillips is very inexperienced and I suspect her gobby persona will lose a vote for every one it gains.

Having said all this, I think the next election will be won or lost depending on how the Conservatives perform over the next four years, and especially how they treat the northern seats.

If I were looking to pick one who would appear to have the best prospects of regaining lost ground, I'd probably pick Nandy as the best of a fairly bad bunch. I'm not sure the naïve young Corbyn fan-clan, still mourning the fall of their hero, will go for her though.
 
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For some obscure reason, Tory leaders don't seem to need to have this general "likeability" factor so much to get elected, Boris Johnson (and Margaret Thatcher) being prime examples! Although it definitely worked against them when William Hague was their leader.

I think it's not just likeability, but also how you convey being a decisive leader as much as likeability. Mrs. Thatcher might not have been likeable in a 'have a chat down the pub' sense, but she came across as a strong leader, and that's what really got her the votes. (Plus you need about 45% of the votes to win an election, and there were at least 45% of the electorate who were reasonably happy with the direction that she was leading the country in).
 

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I think it's not just likeability, but also how you convey being a decisive leader as much as likeability. Mrs. Thatcher might not have been likeable in a 'have a chat down the pub' sense, but she came across as a strong leader, and that's what really got her the votes. (Plus you need about 45% of the votes to win an election, and there were at least 45% of the electorate who were reasonably happy with the direction that she was leading the country in).

Can't argue with that to be fair.
 

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I think it's not just likeability, but also how you convey being a decisive leader as much as likeability. Mrs. Thatcher might not have been likeable in a 'have a chat down the pub' sense, but she came across as a strong leader, and that's what really got her the votes. (Plus you need about 45% of the votes to win an election, and there were at least 45% of the electorate who were reasonably happy with the direction that she was leading the country in).

The importance of the point you make will probably be lost on many people voting for the next Labour leader.

The important thing is for the successful candidate to have a clear and credible* vision for how they would make a better PM than Boris.

It is no good simply opposing everything and attacking the character of the current PM... you actually need to have an alternate plan that people can believe is worth giving a go.

With Corbyn saying Labour is 'the resistance to Boris Johnson' it is obvious the message still isn't sinking in. Both Nandy and Phillips have already made opposition to Johnson an important part of their pitch, and it is difficult to see Starmer successfully making a full 180 on the principal policy which will define the Johnson Government.

The right candidate hasn't made themselves known yet.

(*Corbyn had the right idea with a very different strategy, his problem was the lack of clarity and the absolute absence of credibility.)
 

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Jess Phillips or Sir Keir for me. My concern is that the Corbynite Politburo..er...I mean NEC will stitch things up so they don’t get on the ballot.
There's the risk — and yet they represent the very Augean stable that really needs to be completely purged before any contest goes ahead.
 

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The Question should be , who out of them can win an election?
The answer for me is none of them , still to far left in my opinion.
Labour are better off splitting up now. Let the unelectable momentum crew go off in their chosen direct and let a more central/ left electable party labour start to build up
 
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