Class 442s - Now at the end of the road and to be withdrawn permanently

Bigfoot · 5 Jan 2020

RealTrains07 said:
Are the 442s gonna be working Portsmouth via guildford services going forward or is this temporary??

wouldnt mind catching a 442 to and from Guildford

Testing them on the Portsmouth direct until they are all in use, then they will move over to the Guildford to Farnham and Aldershot to Ascot branches to free up more 450s for mainline strengthening.

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43096 · 5 Jan 2020

Bigfoot said:
Testing them on the Portsmouth direct until they are all in use, then they will move over to the Guildford to Farnham and Aldershot to Ascot branches to free up more 450s for mainline strengthening.

Let's see how many fall for that....

Bigfoot · 5 Jan 2020

43096 said:
Let's see how many fall for that....

Given its been pretty clear in the last 50 pages of posts what their intended use is to be I couldn't resist.

pompeyfan · 5 Jan 2020

Genuine question, if you put a 442 and a 159 side by side at Basingstoke on the up, if both were running on greens would there be daylight between the units in terms of speed and acceleration?

Western Sunset · 5 Jan 2020

A very brief look-in at BM around 2pm saw the following Cl.442s: 2404, 2409, 2410 (moving around - might've just arrived on 5Z30 ex-Soton Cent), 2418, 2423, plus others. All in SWR livery.

HamworthyGoods · 5 Jan 2020

pompeyfan said:
Genuine question, if you put a 442 and a 159 side by side at Basingstoke on the up, if both were running on greens would there be daylight between the units in terms of speed and acceleration?

442s are 100mph Max, 159s are 90mph Max.

Llama · 5 Jan 2020

319s are 100mph max too, but a 158 would wipe the floor with a 319 above about 80mph (and probably up to 100mph).

pompeyfan · 5 Jan 2020

HamworthyGoods said:
442s are 100mph Max, 159s are 90mph Max.

yeah I’m aware of that, but in terms of putting the horses on the ground, it can’t be much in it.

HamworthyGoods · 5 Jan 2020

pompeyfan said:
yeah I’m aware of that, but in terms of putting the horses on the ground, it can’t be much in it.

Leaving Basingstoke on the up a 159 should be quicker than either 442s or Desiros as it’s a half power area.

The 442s acceleration isn’t that much different to a 444 bearing in mind their restricted power draw.

RealTrains07 · 5 Jan 2020

Bigfoot said:
Testing them on the Portsmouth direct until they are all in use, then they will move over to the Guildford to Farnham and Aldershot to Ascot branches to free up more 450s for mainline strengthening.

43096 said:
Let's see how many fall for that....

Well considering lots of posts spread inaccurate information about which portsmouth route they will operate and I also dont have the time to search through the entirety of the 150 pages of this thread so...

if you could direct me to the post saying the confirmed route for the 442s or tell me what route it is then that would be most helpful.

sussexbythesea · 5 Jan 2020

RealTrains07 said:
Well considering lots of posts spread inaccurate information about which portsmouth route they will operate and I also dont have the time to search through the entirety of the 150 pages of this thread so...

if you could direct me to the post saying the confirmed route for the 442s or tell me what route it is then that would be most helpful.

Yes, most will be used on Portsmouth Direct Line diagrams, with a handful of services to Poole/Bournemouth.

43096 · 5 Jan 2020

RealTrains07 said:
Well considering lots of posts spread inaccurate information about which portsmouth route they will operate and I also dont have the time to search through the entirety of the 150 pages of this thread so...

if you could direct me to the post saying the confirmed route for the 442s or tell me what route it is then that would be most helpful.

Why not do some research if you’re that bothered? One of my pet hates is people expecting to be spoon-fed everything.

pompeyfan · 5 Jan 2020

With respect, I don’t think there’s PRM at Basingstoke any more, but happy to be corrected by @Bigfoot or @theironroad.

Im surprised the output at rail is similar for a 442 and 444, they certainly feel a lot more sluggish.

BRX · 5 Jan 2020

43096 said:
Why not do some research if you’re that bothered? One of my pet hates is people expecting to be spoon-fed everything.

Is it that asking an on-topic question on this thread doesn’t count as 'research' because it isn't sufficiently time-consuming and tedious way of finding out the information?

RealTrains07 · 5 Jan 2020

sussexbythesea said:
Yes, most will be used on Portsmouth Direct Line diagrams, with a handful of services to Poole/Bournemouth.

Thank you and by Portsmouth Direct line for those of us still not fully aware of the specific SWR line names on the forum

is Portsmouth direct line,

the Portsmouth via Winchester?

or Portsmouth via Guildford?

pompeyfan · 5 Jan 2020

Portsmouth Direct is the given name for London Waterloo to Portsmouth Via Haslemere as it’s the ‘Direct’ line, going due south east from Woking.

Portsmouth - Waterloo via Eastleigh can be referred to as either ‘via the main, the long way round, or on a tango’

spark001uk · 5 Jan 2020

pompeyfan said:
Portsmouth - Waterloo via Eastleigh can be referred to as either ‘via the main, the long way round, or on a tango’

Tango as in the xTxx headcode I assume?

Rick1984 · 6 Jan 2020

pompeyfan said:
going due south east from Woking

Surely SW?

pompeyfan · 6 Jan 2020

Rick1984 said:
Surely SW?

Correct, brain fart moment.

RealTrains07 · 6 Jan 2020

Delete

pompeyfan · 6 Jan 2020

RealTrains07 said:
Where is pompey?

Pompey is the slang nickname for Portsmouth. The name can be used equally for the city and the football club. There’s no certain answer, but it’s believed it comes from old navigation charts which referenced Portsmouth point, which was short handed to Pom.P

google and Wikipedia are your friend.

43096 · 6 Jan 2020

BRX said:
Is it that asking an on-topic question on this thread doesn’t count as 'research' because it isn't sufficiently time-consuming and tedious way of finding out the information?

It’s been covered many times on here. Using the search function on here or Google (try “Class 442 Portsmouth”) brings up the answer. It’s even on the SWR website.

Snow1964 · 6 Jan 2020

So is there a phased timetable introduction for 442s

I realise there was a timetable change in December (but a strike timetable has been running instead), or is it now full new timetable

What I can’t seem to locate is any public info for passengers on planned short formations (except the disruptions section which only covers next 3 hours)

EDIT
appears service (suburban) is a mess today due to a track circuit failure, so won’t be 100% service today

Bigfoot · 6 Jan 2020

pompeyfan said:
With respect, I don’t think there’s PRM at Basingstoke any more, but happy to be corrected by @Bigfoot or @theironroad.

Correct as of the last time I booked on. It was power reduction for a long time, but that was along time ago!

mchd2000 · 6 Jan 2020

Travelling on 1P16 this morning and a queue of trains has formed from Earlsfield back to Wimbledon. Appears that the troublesome signal has had a change of aspect again?

Bigfoot · 6 Jan 2020

mchd2000 said:
Travelling on 1P16 this morning and a queue of trains has formed from Earlsfield back to Wimbledon. Appears that the troublesome signal has had a change of aspect again?

Todays problems are in the throat of Waterloo and unrelated to the 442.

trainmania100 · 6 Jan 2020

442417/413 on this I think https://live.rail-record.co.uk/train/?c=Q48613&d=06/01/2020

mchd2000 · 6 Jan 2020

Bigfoot said:
Todays problems are in the throat of Waterloo and unrelated to the 442.

Pretty sure there are problems both at Earlsfield and Waterloo, with the former occurring immediately after the 9B90 442 service passed Earlsfield.
This suggests that the 442 ‘potentially’ caused the track circuit failure in Earlsfield.

moley · 6 Jan 2020

I gather the first train from Poole arrived on time?

Looking at RTT, it appears the largest delays are SDO stations. The 442s only open 5 or 10 whereas there is more flexibility with the Desiros.

it will take a few days to stop commuters waiting the full length of the available platform.

piresistable · 6 Jan 2020

mchd2000 said:
Pretty sure there are problems both at Earlsfield and Waterloo, with the former occurring immediately after the 9B90 442 service passed Earlsfield.
This suggests that the 442 ‘potentially’ caused the track circuit failure in Earlsfield.

It looks as though the following train was affected:

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/W16476/2020-01-06/detailed

Which is different to what was happening before when it was the 442 that was getting the COA.

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