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Class 397 TPE "Nova 2" Diagrams

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Why were they planned to terminate at Lockerbie? The Christmas works finished this morning.
 
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Any diagrams for today?
According to TPE on Twitter:
397003
1M99 0628 LAN-MIA
1S38 0807 MIA-CAR
1M97 1333 CAR-MIA
1S75 1607 MIA-EDB
1M95 2011 EDB-MIA

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1S35 0726 MAN-CAR
1M96 1233 CAR-MIA
1S71 1510 MIA-GLC
1M94 1908 GLC-MIA
1S98 2310 MIA-PRE
 
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Nova 2 - 2nd January

Just the one diagram today.

397003
5M99, 1M99, 1S38, 1M97, 1S75, 1M95, 5H95

*Subject to usual issues.
 

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Better be a few more come Monday!
Still considerable issues with trained staff to operate these. With trains being covered with 3 car 185s or not running at all.

With all the 397 fleet delivered its not rocket science to have a training plan in place.
 

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It would help the less informed (me) if the origin and time were included. I don't know how to find out which train is 1S38...
 

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It would help the less informed (me) if the origin and time were included. I don't know how to find out which train is 1S38...

1S38 0807 Manchester Airport to Edinburgh
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y33420/2020-01-04/detailed

To be fair to the previous poster, it should be possible to read just a short distance up the thread to find out what '1S38' is (indeed no more than six posts) and also, these things only run one route so searching in RTT for Preston https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/PRE/2020-01-04/0200-0159?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt and pressing Crtl+F and typing 1S38 is enough to find out what the train is.
 

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It would help the less informed (me) if the origin and time were included. I don't know how to find out which train is 1S38...

On RealTimeTrains, if you go into the search bar at the top of the page (rather than the normal one) you can search by headcodes too.
 

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Novas today

1S38 etc
1M94 etc

For the record, the two diagrams are:

05:41 Preston cs 5M99 Lancaster 06:21
06:28 Lancaster 1M99 Manchester Airport 07:49
08:07 Manchester Airport 1S38 Edinburgh 11:36
12:12 Edinburgh 1M97 Manchester Airport 15:46
16:07 Manchester Airport 1S75 Edinburgh 19:37
19:56 Edinburgh 5S75 Polmadie DHS 21:12

04:34 Longsight CMD 5S30 Manchester Picc 04:46
05:00 Manchester Picc 1S30 Glasgow Central 08:20
09:07 Glasgow Central 1M94 Manchester Airport 12:46
13:07 Manchester Airport 1S61 Glasgow Central 16:39
17:08 Glasgow Central 1M92 Manchester Airport 20:48
21:04 Manchester Airport 5C92 Preston cs 22:20
 
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1S38 0807 Manchester Airport to Edinburgh
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y33420/2020-01-04/detailed

To be fair to the previous poster, it should be possible to read just a short distance up the thread to find out what '1S38' is (indeed no more than six posts) and also, these things only run one route so searching in RTT for Preston https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/PRE/2020-01-04/0200-0159?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt and pressing Crtl+F and typing 1S38 is enough to find out what the train is.
Thank you, but this forum sometimes assumes too much internal knowledge of railway operations. If there is a convention to give full station names as well as their codes then I think courtesy should extend this to train codes too. Your explanation works but it's hardly intuitive.
 

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There are 10 diagrams on MAN/LIV-GLAS/EDIN route today:

Novas 2
350-5
185-3

The Novas are same two as yesterday, which finished at Polmadie and Preston.
The one from Preston started today on 5S46/1S46.
The Polmadie one started on 1M96, leaving Glasgow 45 mins late so will probably terminate at Man Picc.
 

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1910 from Glasgow was a 397 , first one ive seen up close at Glasgow.
 

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Have TPE recently sent off another 350 or in the depot for maintenance?

There is normally 1 stopped for exam. Even when all 10 were with TPE they were never all in traffic at the same time.
 

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There is normally 1 stopped for exam. Even when all 10 were with TPE they were never all in traffic at the same time.

There used to be a regular 8-car diagram on a Friday, leaving the Airport just before half 7 in the morning. Not sure though whether this pushed a 185 onto a Glasgow. I know there won't be regular 10-car 397 diagrams, however would this be stretched to 10 in times of the Edinburgh Festival and other such events?
 

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What's the reasoning behind these diagrams being selected for 397 running? I guess it's do with where the diagram starts and where these units are stabled, but are there any other factors?

Not aware of any.
 

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There used to be a regular 8-car diagram on a Friday, leaving the Airport just before half 7 in the morning. Not sure though whether this pushed a 185 onto a Glasgow. I know there won't be regular 10-car 397 diagrams, however would this be stretched to 10 in times of the Edinburgh Festival and other such events?

Are platforms long enough for that, or do they do SDO? I suppose they could (and use 185s on the less busy Glasgows).
 

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The insides of the coaches are marked up with coach letter indications suggesting they may run as 10 car, eg accessible toilets are in coaches X and Y (sorry didn't notice which specific coaches but definitely not both between A and E)
 

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Are platforms long enough for that, or do they do SDO? I suppose they could (and use 185s on the less busy Glasgows).
10 cars certainly can't operate from Manchester Airport, the platforms aren't long enough. A theoretical strengthening unit would have to attach en route if it was going to do so.
 
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