Northern Pacer Withdrawals - Info?

My contact at Chasewater tells me that half of '030 arrived yesterday, the other half today.

Basher said:

today I videoed the class 142s and HSTs at Gascoigne Wood as I passed through on the train. Can anyone help me on how to upload the video please? It's 275,000 KB.

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trainmania100 said:

Would be nice to see a few more pacers get preserved on heritage lines, hopefully some preserved lines a bit more closer to me , might have their eyes on a prize, East kent is probably my closest (Sussex) id be happy to donate a bit of cash. May be spa valley railway or lavender line.

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Here's the funny thing, I've emailed roughly ten to fifteen heritage railways and asked them whether they'd preserve a Pacer. I'm just awaiting for the replies.

Thanks for that anamyd, all done. See

I've amended the list slightly to clear up any confusion and update where nessacerry.


Red - withdrawn.
Orange - scrapped.
Yellow - converted to other use (does not include food tins or razor blades).
Green - modified for Passengers of Reduced Mobility.
Blue - in storage.
Purple - preserved.
Pink - can operate provided that they are coupled to a PRM compliant unit.


Class 142
001 - Unit preserved. Due to move to the National Railway Museum in York.
002
003 - was in storage at Barrow, moved to Heaton TMD and now at Gascoigne Wood.
004 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
005 - First to be withdrawn, now scrapped (updated as of 7th December 2019)
006
007 - was in storage at Barrow, moved to Heaton TMD and now at Gascoigne Wood.
008 - Scrapped (Collided with a class 87 at Winsford in 1999).
009 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
010
011 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
012 - at Landore TMD? being stripped of spare parts.
013 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
014 - was in warm storage at Heaton TMD, now at Gascoigne Wood.
015 - was in storage at Gascoigne Wood, now at Newport Docks.
016 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
017 - in storage at Worksop
018 - in warm store at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
019 - in storage at Worksop
020 - in storage at Worksop
021 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood.
022 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
023 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
024 - was at Allerton, now at Newton Heath TMD. (Has this unit been withdrawn from service?)
025 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
026 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood.
027 - in storage at Worksop
028 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
029 - Unit preserved at Chasewater Railway.
030 - Unit to be preserved at Chasewater Railway
031 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
032 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood.
033 - Converted to a Police Training Unit by South Wales Police at Bridgend rugby pitch.
034 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
035 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
036 - Unit to be preserved at East Kent Railway, still in service at Northern - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
037 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
038 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
039 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
040 - was in storage at Barrow, now at Heaton TMD.
041 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
042 - was in storage at Gascoigne Wood, now at Newport Docks.
043 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
044 - Scrapped, second class 142 unit to be dismantled at CF Booths (the first being 005).
045 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
046 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood.
047 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
048 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
049 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood (soon moving to Newport Docks or Landore)
050 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood (unit not scrapped yet).
051 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
052 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury?
053 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
054 - was in warm storage at Longsight TMD, now at Newton Heath TMD.
055 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
056 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood.
057 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
058 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
059 - Scrapped (Collided with buffer stops at Liverpool Lime Street in 1991.)
060 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood.
061 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
062 - was in warm storage at Longsight TMD, now at Newton Heath TMD.
063 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD
064 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
065 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
066 - was in storage at Gascoigne Wood, now at Newport Docks.
067 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
068 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
069
070 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
071 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
072
073 - ?
074
075
076
077
078 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
079 - at Landore TMD? being stripped of spare parts.
080
081
082
083
084 - in storage at Worksop
085
086 - at Canton, stripped of spare parts.
087 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
088 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury.
089 - was in warm storage at Newton Heath TMD, moved to Heaton TMD and now at Gascoigne Wood.
090 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
091 - in storage at Worksop
092 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood.
093 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury.
094 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
095 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
096 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury. The last of the class lost for good.

Class 143
601
602
603 - set to be preserved at the Swindon and Cricklade Railway
604
605
606
607
608
609
610
611
612
613 - Scrapped (Unit caught fire near Nailsea & Backwell in 2004).
614
615 - Scrapped (Unit caught fire in 2005).
616
617
618
619
620
621
622
623
624
625

Class 144 - All units stabled at Neville Hill TMD, can run on specified routes and can run solo.
001 - "Penistone Line Partnership"
002
003 - set to be preserved at the Great Central Railway at Ruddington.
004
005
006
007
008
009
010
011
012 - 144 Evolution has full PRM modifications. (Possibly the last ever Pacer in service?)
013
014
015
016
017
018
019
020
021
022
023


This list is not operator specific, but it does cover all Pacers that are in the firing line.

Basher said:

Thanks for that anamyd, all done. See

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That is so good. Thanks!!!

A PS to my posting it was video from 150109.

Who out there has the earliest photograph of a 142. Also I have a photograph of a 142 with the name River Tyne.

Sorry the River Tyne name is on a 143 not a 142

Vstp Heaton to Gascoigne Wood today
https://live.rail-record.co.uk/train?c=78395&d=08/01/2020

Move to Newport docks activated for today
https://live.rail-record.co.uk/train?c=K06194&d=08/01/2020

And a Gascoigne to Newport Friday
https://live.rail-record.co.uk/train?c=K06283&d=10/01/2020

Seems to be all sorts of bits and bobs running out of Worksop this week though but between Nottingham, Lincoln etc so I wouldn't like to say if these are Pacers or not

trainmania100 said:

Vstp Heaton to Gascoigne Wood today
https://live.rail-record.co.uk/train?c=78395&d=08/01/2020

Move to Newport docks activated for today
https://live.rail-record.co.uk/train?c=K06194&d=08/01/2020

And a Gascoigne to Newport Friday
https://live.rail-record.co.uk/train?c=K06283&d=10/01/2020

Seems to be all sorts of bits and bobs running out of Worksop this week though but between Nottingham, Lincoln etc so I wouldn't like to say if these are Pacers or not

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Activity at Worksop cd be more Northern crew training on 195s. 2x195s were reported on a Barrow to Worksop run last week presumably for that purpose.

trainmania100 said:

Vstp Heaton to Gascoigne Wood today
https://live.rail-record.co.uk/train?c=78395&d=08/01/2020

Move to Newport docks activated for today
https://live.rail-record.co.uk/train?c=K06194&d=08/01/2020

And a Gascoigne to Newport Friday
https://live.rail-record.co.uk/train?c=K06283&d=10/01/2020

Seems to be all sorts of bits and bobs running out of Worksop this week though but between Nottingham, Lincoln etc so I wouldn't like to say if these are Pacers or not

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Newport docks never left so I assume that’s cancelled and newton Heath was also cancelled

just noticed there is a second Newton Heath to gascoigne wood however pathed as a sprinter. Still it’s probably a pacer

What's the situation with 142049...? It was reported by RAIL magazine as having moved to TfW Rail, but seeing as that was also claimed for 142042 and that moved to Newport Docks, I doubt it. Is it still just 3 TfW "spare parts" 142s, with 142086 at Canton and 142012 and 142079 at Landore...?

Just passed Newton Heath on the tram. Very much looks like 3 more 142s about to leave the depot for the final time. Couldn't see which ones unfortunately

I have come across this recent video on Youtube of a visit to CF Booth's scrapyard. It shows one carriage of 142044 being scrapped. It appears to be engineless, apparently 142044 was withdrawn due to an engine fire.
Of interest is Motive Power Recognition: 3 DMUs - 2nd Edition Published by Ian Allan in 1986 By Colin Marsden. The front cover shows a brand new 142001 on 17th May 1985 when it was handed over.
http://ianallanrailwaybooks.com/boo...dition-author-colin-j-marsden-published-1986/

IamTrainsYT said:

Newport docks never left so I assume that’s cancelled and newton Heath was also cancelled

just noticed there is a second Newton Heath to gascoigne wood however pathed as a sprinter. Still it’s probably a pacer

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As you said Gascoigne to Newport cancelled but Newton Heath to Gascoign is running.
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O78395/2020-01-08/detailed
Guess is 142 024 and 062 which I think where at NH. Does this empty the west and east depots of withdrawn units just leaving a few at Heaton?
K

With activities concentrated on Gascoigne wood not been much mention of the units stored at Workshop.
K

superkev said:

With activities concentrated on Gascoigne wood not been much mention of the units stored at Workshop.
K

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Havent seen any moves recently from there and no paths in for the next few days at least by the looks of things, guessing its serving its purpose which is for unit storage

142142 024142 024 / 142 054 /

Sorry for garbled previous message - my phone seemed to develop a mind of its own. What I meant to say was that 142 024 / 054 / 062 have just passed Horbury Bridge somewhat earlier than anticipated en route to Gascoigne Wood.

Strange 142 054 going to Gascoigne as i thought it was one of the units on the list as usable till 31 May.
K

superkev said:

As you said Gascoigne to Newport cancelled but Newton Heath to Gascoign is running.
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O78395/2020-01-08/detailed
Guess is 142 024 and 062 which I think where at NH. Does this empty the west and east depots of withdrawn units just leaving a few at Heaton?
K

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There was another Newton Heath to gascoigne wood, the one I had saved was cancelled https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K06119/2020-01-08/detailed

superkev said:

Strange 142 054 going to Gascoigne as i thought it was one of the units on the list as usable till 31 May.
K

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It's not listed on the letter from the DfT. Dispensation granted up to 31/05/20 for Northern operated vehicles making up the following units:
004, 011, 013, 018, 023, 035, 036, 041, 043, 045, 047, 051, 055, 058, 061, 065, 068, 070, 071, 078, 087, 090, 094, 095.

Will all those become Manchester area based or do you think they will still be used network wide?

Wolvercoter said:

It's not listed on the letter from the DfT. Dispensation granted up to 31/05/20 for Northern operated vehicles making up the following units:
004, 011, 013, 018, 023, 035, 036, 041, 043, 045, 047, 051, 055, 058, 061, 065, 068, 070, 071, 078, 087, 090, 094, 095.

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Thanks my error.
K

As the North East don't operate any booked doubled up units. I would say they would be all based in the North West. However it's quite ironic that prior to the withdrawals. Out of the 24 units above. Twelve were based at Heaton with the other 12 at Newton Heath.

simon7929 said:

As the North East don't operate any booked doubled up units. I would say they would be all based in the North West. However it's quite ironic that prior to the withdrawals. Out of the 24 units above 12 were based at Heaton with the other 12 at Newton Heath.

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A booked move tomorrow on RTT thurs 9th heaton to Gascoigne.
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K00266/2020-01-09/detailed
I have just 142 040. 063, 067 withdrawn stored at heaton.
K

There are 3 at Heaton that are not on the list to keep. Number 40,63 and 67.

Where any of the units given dispensation to stay in service, already in storage?

142029 seems to have aquired a friend for company at the Chasewater Railway - 142030 perhaps?