Class 442s - Now at the end of the road and to be withdrawn permanently

TEW · 8 Jan 2020

There's been power reduction there for some time too.

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HamworthyGoods · 8 Jan 2020

Ability to meet timings/dwells seem a bit all over the place and I guess will take a while to settle down.

The 08.30 from Waterloo shows it can be done (yes it has 3 minutes pathing allowance between Godalming and Haslemere but it also left Waterloo 3 minutes late so that balances out)

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Q48616/2020-01-08/detailed

embers25 · 8 Jan 2020

Is there a reason why they only have usb ports and no power sockets and also why the carriages have letters. The one I was on yesterday started at Coach B! One good feature is that the kept the end luggage racks from their GEX time.

pompeyfan · 8 Jan 2020

embers25 said:
Is there a reason why they only have usb ports and no power sockets and also why the carriages have letters. The one I was on yesterday started at Coach B! One good feature is that the kept the end luggage racks from their GEX time.

usb is something to do with converting the load to 3 point plugs. Coach letters are to assist in ensuring passengers are in the correct part of the train. Each unit has the same letter, so unit A might be front 5, unit B rear 5. Passengers leaving at short platforms must travel in unit A.

infobleep · 8 Jan 2020

I could have got on a 442 today. The 8:19 from Guildford. Alas due to staff silence, I boarded the 8:34, which had arrived first on platform 3. I wasn't actually on platform 5 but I saw others coming from platform 5 to 3, who must have thought the 8:34 would depart first, given the 8:19 currently was 19 minutes late. Oh well there will be other times.

infobleep · 8 Jan 2020

HamworthyGoods said:
The crumbling 1930s PDL electrical equipment strikes again!

Given the amount of track renewals that go on, I'm surprised it would be that old.

A lot of the issues this morning are being recorded as power supply issues. I guess only one reason can be give on the online departure board, so they have ueed that.

At one stage some were recorded as slippery rails but I guess they were figuring out the issue at that point.

I'm sure I saw a delay under investigation message on the online 6:52 Guildford to Waterloo departure board but later I couldn't find it, only one for the 7:18. The 6:52 was delayed of course.

infobleep · 8 Jan 2020

moley said:
1G18 lost 4 between Liss and Liphook not to mention 2 each at the SDO stations. It then sat for 9 extra at Guildford presumably while they decided which way it should go?

1P20 appears to have lost time all over the place. Notably 4 each approaching Petersfield and Liphook.

Fratton SDO stops seem down to 2 mins now. Fratton regulars are fairly good so that will now be due to large numbers of people joining the train through the rear door of carriage 5 then walking back.

I'm surprised more trains didn't have thier stops removed or terminated short, given the delays this morning. Not aware of any stops being removed from Portsmouth Direct line trains into London.

Bigfoot · 8 Jan 2020

There is a peak period power reduction in place between Liphook and Petersfield in both directions in addition to the power reduction at Haslemere to Witley on the up.

theironroad · 8 Jan 2020

Bigfoot said:
There is a peak period power reduction in place between Liphook and Petersfield in both directions in addition to the power reduction at Haslemere to Witley on the up.

Before people put 2+2 together and come up with 10, I'll add that it applies to all stock not just 442.

Thumper1127 · 8 Jan 2020

I thought 2 + 2 was the whole point of bringing the 442s back. And they make 10!

387star · 8 Jan 2020

Two were berthed last night in the down carriage sidings underneath Portsmouth and southsea station

Surprised all 18 are not in traffic by now do we know the final full fleet diagrams?

Shame 6 are languishing

theironroad · 8 Jan 2020

Thumper1127 said:
I thought 2 + 2 was the whole point of bringing the 442s back. And they make 10!

Haha

Thumper1127 · 9 Jan 2020

0545 Poole to Waterloo cancelled this morning due to a “problem at the depot”.

Train Boy · 9 Jan 2020

Thumper1127 said:
0545 Poole to Waterloo cancelled this morning due to a “problem at the depot”.

Train fault on JourneyCheck. https://www.journeycheck.com/swr/

Michaeco · 9 Jan 2020

Will try 1700 or 1715 off Waterloo tonight. Are they/will they be fitted with Dellner couplings

Train Boy · 9 Jan 2020

Michaeco said:
Will try 1700 or 1715 off Waterloo tonight. Are they/will they be fitted with Dellner couplings

No Dellner couplings. Just to be aware, the cancellation is on the 1715 diagram. Quite possible will be Desiro tonight. However, the 1700 and 1730 should both be 442s.

Goldfish62 · 9 Jan 2020

387star said:
Two were berthed last night in the down carriage sidings underneath Portsmouth and southsea station

Surprised all 18 are not in traffic by now do we know the final full fleet diagrams?

Shame 6 are languishing

I'm actually surprised that they've managed to ramp up to half the fleet being in service straight after the hiatus.

Can't have all 18 in service yet due to retractioning, and presumably outstanding crew training.

HamworthyGoods · 9 Jan 2020

Thumper1127 said:
0545 Poole to Waterloo cancelled this morning due to a “problem at the depot”.

The travelling fitter overslept...

HamworthyGoods · 9 Jan 2020

Train Boy said:
No Dellner couplings. Just to be aware, the cancellation is on the 1715 diagram. Quite possible will be Desiro tonight. However, the 1700 and 1730 should both be 442s.

Watch out the diagrams are all over the place at the moment toddy due to the 05.45 not running, they’ve been stepping up at Waterloo.

06.51 SOA-WAT formed 08.00 WAT-PMH
06.43 PMH-WAT formed 08.30 WAT-PMH

The ECS to Clapham Yard was cancelled, so currently no stock for the 17.00 WAT-PMH, I presume they will try and bring it up from Bournemouth ECS during the day.

SteveZodiac · 9 Jan 2020

HamworthyGoods said:
The travelling fitter overslept...

I was on one the other day and there was a staff announcement for the "fitter to come to the centre of the train." No discernible issues, and the train was on time - but do they actually have fitters on board at the moment?

HamworthyGoods · 9 Jan 2020

SteveZodiac said:
I was on one the other day and there was a staff announcement for the "fitter to come to the centre of the train." No discernible issues, and the train was on time - but do they actually have fitters on board at the moment?

They are all running with travelling fitters.

Thumper1127 · 9 Jan 2020

Sensible move

SteveZodiac · 9 Jan 2020

HamworthyGoods said:
They are all running with travelling fitters.

Thanks. Are there specific issues/potential failures SWR are worried about? Will there come a point where the units have proved themselves sufficiently to warrant not needing fitters onboard?

Goldfish62 · 9 Jan 2020

SteveZodiac said:
Thanks. Are there specific issues/potential failures SWR are worried about? Will there come a point where the units have proved themselves sufficiently to warrant not needing fitters onboard?

It's normal for fitters to be on new stock for quite a while after it's been introduced. I know these aren't new, but the same presumably applies.

spark001uk · 9 Jan 2020

So what's the next steps for these units then? Switch the 4 pairs out one at a time for a pair of retractioned, then once that's done bring the remainder in retractioned as they become ready? Or wait til they're all done?

Bigfoot · 9 Jan 2020

The requirements for two drivers is also causing issues during disruption as the driver and second driver don't stay together (as 2 drivers are not required over all infrastructure) therefore sets end up without the required crew if attempting to turn them in service short of their destination.

spark001uk · 9 Jan 2020

Bigfoot said:
The requirements for two drivers is also causing issues during disruption as the driver and second driver don't stay together (as 2 drivers are not required over all infrastructure) therefore sets end up without the required crew if attempting to turn them in service short of their destination.

Was this a requirement when they were new, under BR? I don't recall ever seeing it. Might be wrong.

pompeyfan · 9 Jan 2020

I’m not entirely sure why they need 2 drivers on the direct, as far as I know there’s no route restrictions.

Bigfoot · 9 Jan 2020

If there were two drivers required at all times, the drivers would remain together. As they only require them during portions of each trip the diagrams have been made to utilise the crews as efficiently as possible, but as that then means drivers are hopping about. The moment there is disruption the drivers are separated and even more delays ensue.

Edited for the addition of a full stop, and terrible :oops:

spelling.

HamworthyGoods · 9 Jan 2020

Bigfoot said:
but as that then means drivers are hoping about the moment there is disruption the drivers are separated and even more delays ensue.

If true how unprofessional that is from a highly paid grade.

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