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Chris217 said:
Haven't seen a Pacer at
Liverpool Lime Street since
27th December !
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It would be interesting to have a list of last passenger workings of 142s in key towns and cities. For example, last visits to Leeds, Doncaster, Lincoln, Wakefield, York etc. I suspect most places will be between 20th - 31 Dec 2019 (certainly the case in the north east). Obviously, west of the Pennines & evening runs into Sheffield they are still very much active.
 
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So many 2-car workings on Southport to Alderley Edge this week, a Pacer would've been so ideal to work with a compliant 150 and reduce the workload for the social media team having to reply to complaints from people unable to board at stations along the Atherton line. I see the 07:17 Southport to Alderley Edge most days and it was 4-car some days last week when commuter numbers were lower, yet 2-car this week when everybody's back at work!
 
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Mat17 said:
It would be interesting to have a list of last passenger workings of 142s in key towns and cities. For example, last visits to Leeds, Doncaster, Lincoln, Wakefield, York etc. I suspect most places will be between 20th - 31 Dec 2019 (certainly the case in the north east). Obviously, west of the Pennines & evening runs into Sheffield they are still very much active.
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Leeds (and therefore Wakefield) will continue to see them on Sheffield stoppers pretty much as long as Sheffield still has them, I'd have thought...

That is of course including 144s- if we're talking just 142s then unless any sneak down the Calder Valley attached to Sprinters we may have already seen the last of them in service there.
 
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142050 + 142039 + 142057 have officially reached the end of the line; they've now arrived at Newport Docks for scrapping. Still to find out which ones are en-route to Kingsbury though I would now believe that some of the lot there have now been dismantled.
 
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Notice it went via west midlands route
and not via Shrewsbury like last weeks move.
Ironic too,that they go under their own power to the scrap yard.
A testament that sees them go with dignity to their fate.
Very sad,and so so wrong!
 
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Ewan M said:
142050 + 142039 + 142057 have officially reached the end of the line; they've now arrived at Newport Docks for scrapping. Still to find out which ones are en-route to Kingsbury though I would now believe that some of the lot there have now been dismantled.
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142031/142048/142053
 
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Chris217 said:
Notice it went via west midlands route
and not via Shrewsbury like last weeks move.
Ironic too,that they go under their own power to the scrap yard.
A testament that sees them go with dignity to their fate.
Very sad,and so so wrong!
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How is it wrong?! Even the most rose tinted glass wearing of you have to admit these are not fit for purpose in 2020. Happy to see a few preserved, but memories of being bounced around in these things on the likes of the Tyne Valley line for hours aren't good. Whilst I appreciate they changed the face of the railways in the 90s only the die hards will miss them.
 
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Chris217 said:
Notice it went via west midlands route
and not via Shrewsbury like last weeks move.
Ironic too,that they go under their own power to the scrap yard.
A testament that sees them go with dignity to their fate.
Very sad,and so so wrong!
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Just the same as Steam Locos on their way to the likes of Dai Woodhams scrap yard in Barry back in the 60's.
 
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Seán Elliott said:
@Bertie the bus
Just to be clear, I realise that you weren't arguing that modern traction shouldn't be preserved per se; nevertheless, the idea that heritage lines would or should be more or less likely to preserve modern rolling stock according to their size or popularity seems a little ill-conceived.
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So you think it is ill conceived that a tourist attraction should base decisions on which trains to operate on how many tourists they will attract?
 
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Just out of interest, who drives the condemned pacers down to places such as EMR Kingsbury or Newport Docks? Surely no drivers who are simultaneously up on route knowledge and traction knowledge down to these areas?
 
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Regarding preservation - generally it's not the preserved railways themselves that actually own the stock. Most locos / DMUs are owned by a separate preservation group who then agree running rights with their host preserved railway (usually offset against the storage costs levied by the preserved railways themselves). So if anyone really wants to preserve a pacer then they need to set up their own group, make an offer to the ROSCO for one and negotiate siding space with a preserved railway!
 
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Seán Elliott said:
Out of interest, have you had any responses yet?
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I've had one so far and that was from Swanage Railway but because of the third rail at the northern end of the line they wouldn't be able to take a Pacer on.

I've yet to hear back from Mid Hants Railway (Watercress Line), Peak Rail, Keighley & Worth Valley, Lincolnshire Wolds Railway and a fair few others. I still think that others need to do the same and contact all heritage railways so to help drum up the appeal that preserving at least one of these Pacers can help open up more event opportunities (such as 80's / 90's weekends) as there is only so much you can do with steam.
 
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Updates to show the three units that have moved to Newport Docks for scrapping.

I take it that units 142039, 142050 and 142057 are still at Gascogine Wood or have they also gone down to Newport Docks?

Red - withdrawn.
Orange - scrapped / sent to be scrapped
Yellow - converted to other use (does not include food tins or razor blades).
Green - modified for Passengers of Reduced Mobility.
Blue - in storage.
Purple - preserved.
Pink - can operate provided that they are coupled to a PRM compliant unit.


Class 142
001 - Unit preserved. Due to move to the National Railway Museum in York.
002
003 - was in storage at Barrow, moved to Heaton TMD and now at Gascoigne Wood.
004 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
005 - First to be withdrawn, now scrapped (updated as of 7th December 2019)
006
007 - was in storage at Barrow, moved to Heaton TMD and now at Gascoigne Wood.
008 - Scrapped (Collided with a class 87 at Winsford in 1999).
009 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
010
011 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
012 - at Landore TMD? being stripped of spare parts.
013 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
014 - was in warm storage at Heaton TMD, now at Gascoigne Wood.
015 - was in storage at Gascoigne Wood, now at Newport Docks.
016 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
017 - in storage at Worksop
018 - in warm store at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
019 - in storage at Worksop
020 - in storage at Worksop
021 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood.
022 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
023 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
024 - was at Allerton, now at Newton Heath TMD. (Has this unit been withdrawn from service?)
025 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
026 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood.
027 - in storage at Worksop
028 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
029 - Unit preserved at Chasewater Railway
030 - Unit preserved at Chasewater Railway
031 - was in storage at Gascoigne Wood, now at Newport Docks for scrapping.
032 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood.
033 - Converted to a Police Training Unit by South Wales Police at Bridgend rugby pitch.
034 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
035 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
036 - Unit to be preserved at East Kent Railway, still in service at Northern - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
037 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
038 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
039 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
040 - was in storage at Barrow, moved to Heaton TMD and now at Gascoigne Wood.
041 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
042 - was in storage at Gascoigne Wood, now at Newport Docks.
043 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
044 - Scrapped, second class 142 unit to be dismantled at CF Booths (the first being 005).
045 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
046 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood.
047 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
048 - was in storage at Gascoigne Wood, now at Newport Docks for scrapping.
049 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood (soon moving to Newport Docks or Landore)
050 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood (unit not scrapped yet).
051 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
052 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury?
053 - was in storage at Gascoigne Wood, now at Newport Docks for scrapping.
054 - was in warm storage at Longsight TMD, now at Newton Heath TMD.
055 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
056 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood.
057 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood
058 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
059 - Scrapped (Collided with buffer stops at Liverpool Lime Street in 1991.)
060 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood.
061 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
062 - was in warm storage at Longsight TMD, now at Newton Heath TMD.
063 - was in warm storage at Heaton TMD, now at Gascoigne Wood.
064 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury
065 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
066 - was in storage at Gascoigne Wood, now at Newport Docks.
067 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood. If used again, it must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
068 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
069
070 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
071 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
072
073 - ?
074
075
076
077
078 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
079 - at Landore TMD? being stripped of spare parts.
080
081
082
083
084 - in storage at Worksop
085
086 - at Canton, stripped of spare parts.
087 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
088 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury.
089 - was in warm storage at Newton Heath TMD, moved to Heaton TMD and now at Gascoigne Wood.
090 - must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
091 - in storage at Worksop
092 - in storage at Gascoigne Wood.
093 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury.
094 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
095 - in warm storage at Heaton TMD, must be used with PRM Compliant unit.
096 - Scrapped, EMR Kingsbury. The last of the class lost for good.

Class 143
601
602
603 - set to be preserved at the Swindon and Cricklade Railway
604
605
606
607
608
609
610
611
612
613 - Scrapped (Unit caught fire near Nailsea & Backwell in 2004).
614
615 - Scrapped (Unit caught fire in 2005).
616
617
618
619
620
621
622
623
624
625

Class 144 - All units stabled at Neville Hill TMD, can run on specified routes and can run solo.
001 - "Penistone Line Partnership"
002
003 - set to be preserved at the Great Central Railway at Ruddington.
004
005
006
007
008
009
010
011
012 - 144 Evolution has full PRM modifications. (Possibly the last ever Pacer in service?)
013
014
015
016
017
018
019
020
021
022
023


This list is not operator specific, but it does cover all Pacers that are in the firing line.

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