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And it ended up being G-CIVR. Happy flying ,

Indeed, I had no complaints about that mind, a great bird to fly on. A shame about the worst turbulence I'll got any memory of, that was nasty! Armrest and table (trays from first meal service had not yet been collected) were held onto with some mighty force I can tell you!

It was fairly expensive for a trip away but without recalling the actual cost I would estimate somewhere around £700 for the flights. Obviously more for hotels on top.
They were arranged as a NCL-ZRH/PRG-NCL open jaw return, DUB-VIE return and then the MAD & back was booked on Avios into Club, they often open the First cabin on the 777 for silver/gold card holders (I’m silver). Eastern to Valley was only £20, Sichuan was about £50 and Hainan about the same.

Not bad at all that! I'm only on Blue, I don't fly often enough to get silver or higher.
 
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Yes, checked through to final destination. Enjoy your trip! https://www.omanair.com/uk/en/travel-info/baggage-services/all-about-your-baggage

You'll go through a hand luggage screen and security check and even if you haven't got your BP there'll be transfer desks at the transfer channel to get one easily if needed, but I don't see why Heathrow wouldn't print one for you.

This went exactly as above, Heathrow desk printed both tickets and the bags made it to Delhi :)

Very impressed with the service and cabin on Air Oman. First leg was a 787 and second leg an A330.
 

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Does anyone else find for a supposedly "low cost carrier" that Jet2 are expensive?
Most flights I've found are £100+ for a return trip, even without any extras added, just the basic fare for 1 adult.
 

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Does anyone else find for a supposedly "low cost carrier" that Jet2 are expensive?
Most flights I've found are £100+ for a return trip, even without any extras added, just the basic fare for 1 adult.

That seems to be decent price but i guess it depends where you go to - they seem to do well for passenger surveys and selling of holiday packages which is where they make their money i guess
 

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OMDB been having issues due to flooding! Must have had 3 years of rain fall in 3 days out in the Emirates. Bizarre.
 

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Iran has finally admitted shooting down the plane.

As soon as I heard about this crash that was my first thought. They made a catastrophic mistake whilst awaiting for an American response. They were almost certainly highly stressed and triggy happy and the human mind is a strange thing and plays tricks on us. They thought it was an aircraft or cruise missile and despite all the evidence indicating otherwise they still believed otherwise.

The Iranians started clearing crash site soon after it happened which is the LAST thing you do when carrying out an investigation. Maybe the Iranians lied about the cause until they could no longer deny the evidence. I'd imagine they were also concerned about the reaction of the Iranian people when they found out the truth, which they have and this has led to demonstrations in Iran.

Interestingly, the Americans shot down an Iranian Airbus under similar conditions. They were fighting a series of naval battles at the time with the Iranian Navy, the Airbus took off from a joint military / civilian airfield. The crew of the USS Vincennes were stressed and made the wrong decision.

There have been a number of other shootdowns of civilian aircraft in recent years as well as the above incidents the Russians shot down a Korean 747 in the 80's and more recently the Malaysian 777 over the Ukraine. I'm sure there are many others.
 

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Does anyone else find for a supposedly "low cost carrier" that Jet2 are expensive?
Most flights I've found are £100+ for a return trip, even without any extras added, just the basic fare for 1 adult.

Low cost is an industry term which refers to an airline’s cost base. It has nothing whatever to do with the fares.

Jet2.com will happily sell £800 returns to Tenerife during peak periods.

It still has low costs compared to legacy network airlines.

It may also be the next one to go pop in the U.K.
 

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Crowded skies. interestingly IRGC said they applied for but were denied a no fly zone, and they came clean to the Government on Wednesday, two days before the admission while denials were still being issued.
 

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Does anyone else find for a supposedly "low cost carrier" that Jet2 are expensive?
Most flights I've found are £100+ for a return trip, even without any extras added, just the basic fare for 1 adult.

About average, but so much better than Ryanair!

It's like any airline the fares are a proverbial yo-yo

Jet2.com will happily sell £800 returns to Tenerife during peak periods.

Exactly, just because they market themselves as "Low Cost" doesn't mean they are always lower priced.

t may also be the next one to go pop in the U.K

Too many airlines trying for business really all with various ways of enticing customers, it's bound to happen that another will go pop sooner or later, though personally I wouldn't have expected Jet2
 

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About average, but so much better than Ryanair!

It's like any airline the fares are a proverbial yo-yo



Exactly, just because they market themselves as "Low Cost" doesn't mean they are always lower priced.



Too many airlines trying for business really all with various ways of enticing customers, it's bound to happen that another will go pop sooner or later, though personally I wouldn't have expected Jet2

But when they're the same price as BA from Gatwick, who am I gonna pick? Not the red airline from the god foresaken airport in Essex!
Ryanair aren't that bad tbh, just their only problem is that they mainly use Stansted.
 

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But when they're the same price as BA from Gatwick, who am I gonna pick? Not the red airline from the god foresaken airport in Essex!
Ryanair aren't that bad tbh, just their only problem is that they mainly use Stansted.

Ryanair for me involves a trip down the coast to Prestwick but must be the least well-equipped international airport in the country. Jet2 fly from Glasgow directly which is a bonus for a start. I also don't find Ryanair significantly cheaper, particularly when you factor in the cost of getting to Prestwick.

That said, I've never personally had issues with Ryanair - one positive is they are always very prompt in getting away, no dawdling! :lol:
 

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About average, but so much better than Ryanair!

It's like any airline the fares are a proverbial yo-yo

"Low cost" is more about the pricing model than the actual fares. easyJet is mostly noticeably pricier than Ryanair, for instance, and the service is commensurately better in my eyes in line with that higher price.

Too many airlines trying for business really all with various ways of enticing customers, it's bound to happen that another will go pop sooner or later, though personally I wouldn't have expected Jet2

It's generally the smaller ones without economies of scale, though large ones with outdated business models can fail too. Flymaybe came close but was saved by Virgin. Loganair could be a difficult one. I'd be surprised if Sleasy or Ryan failed.
 

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That said, I've never personally had issues with Ryanair - one positive is they are always very prompt in getting away, no dawdling! :lol:

I've never had a problem with them (other than them having loaded a friend's bag on the wrong flight once, fortunately it arrived at our carousel and we picked it up for him - he was meant to be on the later flight!) but they are cheap-feeling compared with easyJet. The insistence on having so much yellow in the cabin really gives it that feel - if it was just blue it'd look classy as per the SWR interior which is basically the same as Ryanair without the yellow. It just looks like a certain cheap Swedish furniture shop.
 

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That said, I've never personally had issues with Ryanair - one positive is they are always very prompt in getting away, no dawdling! :lol:

I've never had a problem with them (other than them having loaded a friend's bag on the wrong flight once, fortunately it arrived at our carousel and we picked it up for him - he was meant to be on the later flight!) but they are cheap-feeling compared with easyJet. The insistence on having so much yellow in the cabin really gives it that feel - if it was just blue it'd look classy as per the SWR interior which is basically the same as Ryanair without the yellow. It just looks like a certain cheap Swedish furniture shop.

As I may have mentioned many, many posts ago upthread, I have definitely had a problem with them. I’ve booked 5 flights with them, of which 3 actually happened - the 2 others were cancelled within hours of me booking, despite it being 5 months out, and the refund took well over a week to appear. Of the 3 flights taken, I have had significant issues on 2 of them. I thus made other arrangements for a further flight where FR are the only option; Mrs BR did fly with them on the sector and had a major issue. The common theme through it all is poor customer service. I won’t fly with them again.

Meanwhile I will shortly be taking my 50th Easyjet flight, all of which have been fine.
 

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Meanwhile I will shortly be taking my 50th Easyjet flight, all of which have been fine.

To back that part up, I have flown with easyJet well over 200 times (more than most I'd imagine!) and have very rarely had any kind of issue, and even where I have (long delays) I have noted that they have made what were annoying to me but very sensible operational decisions. They also communicate this very well via their website and app, not just explaining what is happening but (and this is where they beat the railway into a cocked hat) why as well. I've also had EU271 compensation out of them without argument or awkwardness.

I haven't however flown with them recently since Carolyn McCall has ceased to be in charge - having met her personally (sent her to the back of the Speedy Boarding queue for pushing in without really knowing who she was - she went, too, and sent her entourage with her who were visibly not very impressed, but before she did I had an interesting chat with her on the seat allocation project[1]) I think she was an excellent CEO and her leaving was a great loss to the company. Hopefully her successor has kept along similar lines.

[1] On the flight she mucked in with the crew clearing rubbish etc, too. Very impressed.
 

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As I may have mentioned many, many posts ago upthread, I have definitely had a problem with them. I’ve booked 5 flights with them, of which 3 actually happened - the 2 others were cancelled within hours of me booking, despite it being 5 months out, and the refund took well over a week to appear. Of the 3 flights taken, I have had significant issues on 2 of them. I thus made other arrangements for a further flight where FR are the only option; Mrs BR did fly with them on the sector and had a major issue. The common theme through it all is poor customer service. I won’t fly with them again.

Meanwhile I will shortly be taking my 50th Easyjet flight, all of which have been fine.

Out of curiosity were the cancellations part of the next timetable period?

Airlines organise timetables broadly into winter and summer - winter running from the Sunday of the weekend of the October clock change to the Saturday of the weekend of the March clock change, and Summer from March to October.

If you book a flight in advance of the changeover dates there’s always a risk of timetable changes across all airlines, particularly on low frequency routes - it’s certainly not specific to Ryanair. Airlines will be looking at bookings in advance and they will often change schedules or indeed cancel flights if they’re not performing as well as the airline expected.
 
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"Low cost" is more about the pricing model than the actual fares. easyJet is mostly noticeably pricier than Ryanair, for instance, and the service is commensurately better in my eyes in line with that higher price.

I prefer EasyJet considerably, though for short-haul KLM are my favourite. Excellent staff, excellent timekeeping, good upkeep of aircraft and the coffee is decent! :lol:
 

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I've never had a problem with them (other than them having loaded a friend's bag on the wrong flight once, fortunately it arrived at our carousel and we picked it up for him - he was meant to be on the later flight!) but they are cheap-feeling compared with easyJet. The insistence on having so much yellow in the cabin really gives it that feel - if it was just blue it'd look classy as per the SWR interior which is basically the same as Ryanair without the yellow. It just looks like a certain cheap Swedish furniture shop.

They certainly feel "cheap", like they aren't really trying to make an effort to encourage passengers except on terns of price
 

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Out of curiosity were the cancellations part of the next timetable period?

Airlines organise timetables broadly into winter and summer - winter running from the Sunday of the weekend of the October clock change to the Saturday of the weekend of the March clock change, and Summer from March to October.

If you book a flight in advance of the changeover dates there’s always a risk of timetable changes across all airlines, particularly on low frequency routes - it’s certainly not specific to Ryanair. Airlines will be looking at bookings in advance and they will often change schedules or indeed cancel flights if they’re not performing as well as the airline expected.

I don’t know, but based on the timescales you suggest, probably. I don’t have a particular problem about schedule changes, I understand it happens and the reasons why. What I do have a problem with is the specifics.

It was return flights for the four of us on a family holiday at half term, to an airport in Europe that typically has one flight per day from each of a small number of U.K. airports. I specifically booked from a non London airport as the flights were much cheaper than Stansted (which is closer to us) to the same destination. I also booked Friday to Friday as this was substantially cheaper than Saturday to Saturday. Having paid nearly £700 for the flights (bags, priority seats, and credit card charges) I got an email the following evening to say the flights I had booked were now cancelled. Options proffered were:

1) transfer to the Saturday - Saturday flights from the same airport and pay the difference (about £400 when I was booking the previous day)
2) transfer to the Friday - Friday flights from Stansted and pay the difference (about £300 when I was booking the previous day)
3) full refund.

This is where it gets interesting. In the 24hours since I had booked, the price of the alternative flight options had more or less doubled, meaning that the extra I had to pay would have been around £600-700.

Obviously I chose the refund, which was eventually credited to my credit card about 10 days later. Not, however, in time for my credit card bill, so effectively I didn’t have the money for a month.

The timing all seemed a little odd, and the cynic in me is reasonably convinced that I was the first booking on the flight (we had the pick of the seats on the seat selector), which triggered some sort of alert at Ryanair towers; Perhaps the flight was never intended to operate and my booking highlighted this. However the sudden significant cost increases on the alternatives was, I suspect deliberate.

In the end we flew EZY to an alternative airport a further 2 hours away from our destination, which, as it turned out, was cheaper than the original FR booking, even when we added in the car hire!
 

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Ukraine has released photos of the downed flight showing shrapnel damage and said their investigators knew within 3 hours of looking at debris it was shot down, which is a bit funny as they had been saying they believed the Iranian story of engine problems. Now agreed black boxes will go to Ukraine where they will be accessed by French accident investigators.

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Anyone used Level? Currently looking up flights vs trains and comparing them against both time and money for travelling within Europe.

I know they’re owned by IAG but what are they like compared to say Easyjet?

Also has anyone used Austrian?

Level are astonishingly boring; it's basic economy so it'll be a seat and nothing more. Choose them on price.

Austrian are a fine carrier with great food in Business and some excellent pre-purchase meals in Economy on short haul.
 

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I prefer EasyJet considerably, though for short-haul KLM are my favourite. Excellent staff, excellent timekeeping, good upkeep of aircraft and the coffee is decent! :lol:

easyJet are really good, probably the best shorthaul airline, they do seem a lot more competent than BA, and they have less arrogant cabin crew as well.
Never been with Jet2, they look like a red Ryanair but with cheesy advertisements, and a bit of TUI thrown in. Nowhere near as professional or competent as easyJet

Ryanair aren't too bad, they're cheap, they have good legroom, and are efficient. They also fly from Airports like East Midlands, Leeds etc that easyJet don't fly from.
Although they do fly from the worst London airport, Stansted which I am avoiding like the plague.
 

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I've never used Jet2 either but I had the impression from discussions here and elsewhere that they were more of a red easyJet than a red Ryanair.

If you want a different coloured Ryanair, try Wizz.
 

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https://news.sky.com/story/regional-airline-flybe-in-frantic-bid-to-stave-off-collapse-11907407

Sky News said:
Regional airline Flybe in frantic bid to stave off collapse
The government is assessing whether it can help to prevent the collapse of one of the UK's biggest airlines, Sky News learns.

Flybe, Europe's biggest regional airline, was locked in survival talks on Sunday night less than a year after being bailed out by a Virgin Atlantic-led consortium.
Sky News can exclusively reveal that Flybe, which handles over half of Britain's domestic flights outside London, has been trying to secure additional financing amid mounting losses.
EY, the accountancy firm, has been put on standby to handle an administration of Flybe Group, according to aviation industry sources.
 

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So what did this consortium actually bring to the table then? Not any expertise in turning round failing domestic airlines at any rate. Virgin have failed/almost failed (as of right now) at short haul twice - perhaps it's time to take the hint.

It's a bit of an awkward position for the government this - for Thomas Cook they could say it's a holiday business, nothing to do with us. Flybe provide important domestic links not easily replaced by other airlines, whilst the rail network is not up to the task and on some routes journey times are absolutely horrendous. But propping up domestic flights will guarantee terrible publicity from an environmental point of view.
 

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I've never used Jet2 either but I had the impression from discussions here and elsewhere that they were more of a red easyJet than a red Ryanair.

Definitely far more than a red Ryanair! Just the suggestion they're even slightly like Ryanair is grossly unfair. Much more like BA than Ryanair, whether they're more like a red version of easyJet I'm not sure, it's been too many years since I last flew easyJet so I can't make a fair comparison.

If you want a different coloured Ryanair, try Wizz.

Now this I could kinda agree with. However based on my experience I'd say Wizz are far superior to Ryanair. Similar concept, similar fashion of operations, but I'd definitely take Wizz Air over Ryanair. That's not hard to do mind, it's nearly 10 months since my last flight with Ryanair, and I cannot forgive their awful customer support when it came to my damaged case.

Ryanair could offer me an around-the-world fare for £100 (with hold luggage etc as extra ching of course) via any route of my choosing, and I'd tell them to go away if I was feeling polite. If I was going to unleash my inner Gordon Ramsey...

I'm all checked in and counting the hours until I take BA282 to Heathrow. As much as most of this very chilled-out city break has been fun, and I've never done such a relaxed tour of a city, I'm missing the UK and can't wait to see my Queen of the Skies in a little over 21 hours! :D

Only problem is being allocated to 46F, a middle seat in the 4-seat-row. Tried to get an aisle seat for free, sadly I couldn't see any of those. I've vowed to make sure I pay the seat allox fees at the time of booking next time I go long-haul!

Currently chilling out at base camp for the final night in LA, blasting Dougal's Bonkers 4 - World Frenzy mix as I browse the forum. Yes that is where my holiday trip reports series took its name from! Later on will be my Favourite Flying Tunes playlist, and yes both lots will be played again before I depart LA. Can't go flying without these tunes on at least once, it's tradition! :D

Of course, I'm off to Krakow on Wednesday too, bring that on too! :D
 

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easyJet are really good, probably the best shorthaul airline, they do seem a lot more competent than BA, and they have less arrogant cabin crew as well.
Never been with Jet2, they look like a red Ryanair but with cheesy advertisements, and a bit of TUI thrown in. Nowhere near as professional or competent as easyJet

Ryanair aren't too bad, they're cheap, they have good legroom, and are efficient. They also fly from Airports like East Midlands, Leeds etc that easyJet don't fly from.
Although they do fly from the worst London airport, Stansted which I am avoiding like the plague.

easyJet would be my second favourite, certainly when BA offered a number of duplicated routes to easyJet out of Glasgow, eJ were always cheaper, sometimes ludicrously so.

I would say Jet2 are more like easyJet than Ryanair.
 
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