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Next Labour Leader - Confirmed as Keir Starmer

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notabasher said:
It's univeristy is a low-rated former polytechnic.
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Polytechnics are not necessarily bad universities. The word seems to be used pejoratively in the UK, but I would like to point out that France's number one higher education establishment is the École Polytechnique, or Polytechnic School.
 
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She is middle-aged, utterly middle-class with an education at grammar school and a Russell Group University. I'm of a similar age and I can't think of anyone I have ever met with that sort of background so completly unable to talk properly.
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So she did well at her 11+. You have a problem with that? I went to a state grammar school because I passed the 11+ and I can assure you that very many of my fellow pupils were as far removed from middle class that you can get.

Seems to me you have the same mentality as those who say that Starmer is too middle class, whereas he's actually far more working class than Corbyn.
 
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In terms of their salary, any MP with no significant income outside politics is middle-class. Those that do make money outside of politics will certainly be bourgeoise or even upper class e.g. Geoffrey Cox who makes £700 000 outside of politics each year.
 
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As I recall, a couple of people here have expressed an interest in joining/rejoining Labour in order to vote in the leadership election. You have until 5pm Monday 20 January to do so. Anyone joining after that date/time won't be able to vote.
 
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The two who can provide the most articulate opposition without putting the public off are Keir Starmer and Lisa Nandy. I prefer these to the other candidates, however …..

Keir might not regain the trust of Leave voters who deserted Labour. Lisa sounds caring but conversely might come across as more left-wing so less able reach out to recent Conservative voters seeking a change of government.
 
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As I recall, a couple of people here have expressed an interest in joining/rejoining Labour in order to vote in the leadership election. You have until 5pm Monday 20 January to do so. Anyone joining after that date/time won't be able to vote.
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Or join an affiliated trade union.
 
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ASLEF is. RMT isn't - it's affiliated to some party somewhat to the left of Labour, unsurprisingly.
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Thanks:) I had a feeling RMT had dis-affiliated some time previously. You’ve just refreshed my memory!

Perhaps I’ll have to join, really can’t stand the idea of Rebecca Wrong-Daily as leader. Not sure Jess Phillips will get enough support so I guess Keir Starmer or Lisa Nandy are the better options.
 
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Thanks:) I had a feeling RMT had dis-affiliated some time previously. You’ve just refreshed my memory!

Perhaps I’ll have to join, really can’t stand the idea of Rebecca Wrong-Daily as leader. Not sure Jess Phillips will get enough support so I guess Keir Starmer or Lisa Nandy are the better options.
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Between those two for me as well.
 
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Goldfish62 said:
Between those two for me as well.
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I started off thinking it was only Keir Starmer who was plausible, but I’m warming to Lisa Nandy. I think it’ll still be Mr Starmer if I’m honest...
 
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Looks like Clive Lewis will fail to receive the required nominations. He only has four!
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Some people are saying he needs nominations out of sympathy. That didn't turn out well for Labour when the same was done for Corbyn.
 
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Some guff about dropping out in the spirit of something or other. Clive, we can all see almost nobody nominated you, you misogynistic Communist prat.
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Not a communist. Pro-EU, pro-nuclear weapons, and fell out with Milne, who really is a communist.

However, one or two things he's said suggests he's not a particularly nice character so I'm glad the second worst candidate hasn't made it through the nominations stage.
 
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Emily Thornberry is the recipient of Clive Lewis's nominations, so there are 5 candidates through to the ballot: Sir Keir Starmer, Rebecca Long Bailey, Lisa Nandy, Jess Phillips, and Emily Thornberry.
Angela Rayner, Ian Murray, Dawn Butler, Rosena Allin-Khan, and Richard Burgon are the candidates for deputy leader.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51089217
 
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JamesT said:
Emily Thornberry is the recipient of Clive Lewis's nominations, so there are 5 candidates through to the ballot: Sir Keir Starmer, Rebecca Long Bailey, Lisa Nandy, Jess Phillips, and Emily Thornberry.
Angela Rayner, Ian Murray, Dawn Butler, Rosena Allin-Khan, and Richard Burgon are the candidates for deputy leader.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51089217
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How is Burgon even in the party still, let alone on the ballot for deputy leader?! Madness.
 
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JamesT said:
Emily Thornberry is the recipient of Clive Lewis's nominations, so there are 5 candidates through to the ballot: Sir Keir Starmer, Rebecca Long Bailey, Lisa Nandy, Jess Phillips, and Emily Thornberry.
Angela Rayner, Ian Murray, Dawn Butler, Rosena Allin-Khan, and Richard Burgon are the candidates for deputy leader.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51089217
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Anyone seeking omens might reflect on Thornberry achieving the required level with twelve minutes to go, a full eleven minutes ahead of Corbyn's first nomination. Nandy is the most impressive candidate for me, as she seems to understand best what is required to (possibly) win back the lost Labour voters of the North and Midlands. In retrospect, given that we are leaving the EU with a crap 'deal', she was probably right to vote for May's slightly-less-crap deal, and I say that as someone who thinks the whole thing will be an utter disaster. Starmer? Yes, second choice for me, but I always worry when ex-firebrand lawyers climb the greasy pole in the Labour party, because they invariably disappoint, or worse cf Sadiq Khan.
 
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Anyone seeking omens might reflect on Thornberry achieving the required level with twelve minutes to go, a full eleven minutes ahead of Corbyn's first nomination. Nandy is the most impressive candidate for me, as she seems to understand best what is required to (possibly) win back the lost Labour voters of the North and Midlands. In retrospect, given that we are leaving the EU with a crap 'deal', she was probably right to vote for May's slightly-less-crap deal, and I say that as someone who thinks the whole thing will be an utter disaster. Starmer? Yes, second choice for me, but I always worry when ex-firebrand lawyers climb the greasy pole in the Labour party, because they invariably disappoint, or worse cf Sadiq Khan.
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You're certainly right about Khan. He's only slightly less unimpressive than his immediate predecessor and as as economically illiterate. He was also consistently unimpressive as an MP.

I saw Starmer on BBC Breakfast the other day and he was by far the most impressive politician I've seen for a while with his ability to be extremely engaging and sound switched on and convincing. Worlds apart from the sanctimonious 24/7 hand wringing, moralising and equivocation of Corbyn. That said, I like Lisa Nandy a lot and I think we still have yet to see the best from her.

Thornberry hasn't got a chance. She runs too many people the wrong way.
 
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Not a communist. Pro-EU, pro-nuclear weapons, and fell out with Milne, who really is a communist.
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Agreed on Milne. As for Lewis, I was taking the pee out of his obsession with calling everyone ‘comrade’, as if he’s Stalin or something. Moron.
 
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Goldfish62 said:
ASLEF is. RMT isn't - it's affiliated to some party somewhat to the left of Labour, unsurprisingly.
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greyman42 said:
Seriously, which party is that?
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The situation in Scotland regarding the affiliation of the RMT how I remember it during the days of Tony Blair's New Labour project was that the RMT had disaffiliated from Labour and became affiliated to the Scottish Socialist Party (SSP).

The SSP had started out in the 1980s as the Scotland wing of the former Militant Tendency, which when they disbanded had became Scottish Turn. Having decided to become involved with electoral politics instead of being on the outside looking in, and with the 1997 referendum to re-establish both the Scottish Parliament and the Senedd in Wales with devolved powers, the SSP fielded candidates for the 1999 Scottish Parliament elections.

The convenor of the SSP at the time was a former member of both Militant and Scottish Turn, who happened to be the suntanned, loudmouth, shouty, fist banging on tables Tommy Sheridan, who was openly a Trotskyist. In 2004, the now defunct Murdoch rag News of the World was running a story on his private life of when he visited a swingers club in the Manchester area, and stepped down as convenor. Sheridan was hell bent on bringing down Murdoch that he alienated a lot of people in the SSP (the allegations were true) and took legal action against the News of the World. In 2010 at the re-trial into the original 2006 trial, Sheridan was found guilty of perjury. In one of the organisations that I am involved with, I know a few individuals who refuse to have any involvement in any project or appear on the same platform that Sheridan is on due to the distress he caused to them from 2004-06.

I am unsure if the RMT in Scotland are still affiliated to the SSP nowadays, or have switched to the SNP or maybe re-affiliated to Scottish Labour Party during the Corbyn tenure.
 
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