I doubt that, a lot of work is having to be done to prevent the 804s being slower than the units they replaced. It's likely that the new units will accelerate faster on electric but there aren't many stops in electrified areas on this route so unless/until the whole of the route is electrified, I doubt there'll be any substantial difference, perhaps 1-2 mins might be saved if greater capacity reduces dwell times.
Eh? They have straightened it out!
Thanks for clarifying.
Try the Network Rail East Midlands Route Study, Page 61.
The difference is standard class capacity between the 5 and 7 coach 222s is actually less than a coach due to the highly disproportionate amount of first class on the 7 coach trains. This means that a standard class capacity of 'almost the same' as a 7 coach could in reality be very little more than at present on a 5 coach.
Personally I hope the 804s are an improvement in comfort over other 80x units. At the moment they feel like they lack something.
I guess it'll depend on the ratio of standard and first class seats on 804s.
I'd like to think that they probably will share a common layout with the other IETs.
That would be nice.
Yes hopefully these new trains will have a better ratio of standard class seats. With what I regularly observe I'd say peak hour first class trains have say 70 or 80 filled seats so 100 is too many.
And if they have comparable to 7-car 222s, that looks like a general increase in capacity.
I have read somewhere that one of the driving coaches will have 2 windows blanked (small mini-kitchen/trolley area) with the rest of that driving coach being First Class, so I think that equates to 24 seats as on the Trans-Pennine 802's. The adjacent coach is to be a composite (much like the GWR 800's and 802's) but just how much space in that composite coach will be First Class for the 804 is not known.
Interesting... Perhaps that means there will be a higher ratio of standard in the composite coach.
I guess they will dedicate either 3 windows or 4 windows on the composite coach to 1st class, but that is purely guess work.
By sheer coincidence the word azuma also has a meaning in Greek; it's the neuter plural of the adjective "azumos", meaning unfermented or unleavened (from a-zume, without yeast). In the neuter plural it's used by Mark 14, 1, to mean the Days of Unleavened Bread before the Passover (20-26 April last year).
Fascinating. Love the link to scripture - thanks S&CLER
