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Whisky Papa

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Andyh82 said:
The 589/590 already interwork with the 588 at Rochdale
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I had wondered about that, it seemed the logical way of covering the 588 but that does not always mean it is what has actually happened. I recall Todmorden having a brief spell covering a working on the 457 (the 588's prdecessor basically) that was a stand-alone overtime duty spent shuttling from Rochdale to Stansfield Estate all day. Once was enough for me!

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Or if my suggestion is too tight could it run a shorter distance up the valley rather than to Portsmouth - if there is somewhere else to turn round.
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I'm afraid there is definitely nowhere to turn betweeen Todmorden and Portsmouth - the A646 is hemmed into a very narrow valley for much of this stretch.

The running time to Portsmouth is somewhat notional at 15 minutes, and used to easily allow time to turn at Station Parade and have a few minutes in hand. Most of the day it would be possible to cover in 10 minutes, particularly if you are not loading as many passengers by not continuing to Burnley. However, if a run up to the layby is now required to turn it would be a bit tighter but not impossible.

Incidentally, Universal did run a competetive service between Rochdale and Portsmouth some time around 2001 which they managed with two buses. It is perhaps fortunate (for First) that there is unlikely to be any interest in filling the 589 gap from other local operators. TLC operate the tendered minibus network but don't seem interested in competetive work as a rule, and Transdev seem to be in defensive mode with some of their more rural routes already (Rosso service 7 from Todmorden over to Bacup and Rawtenstall is being culled in January).
 
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Whisky Papa said:
Incidentally, Universal did run a competetive service between Rochdale and Portsmouth some time around 2001 which they managed with two buses. It is perhaps fortunate (for First) that there is unlikely to be any interest in filling the 589 gap from other local operators. TLC operate the tendered minibus network but don't seem interested in competetive work as a rule, and Transdev seem to be in defensive mode with some of their more rural routes already (Rosso service 7 from Todmorden over to Bacup and Rawtenstall is being culled in January).
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Well, it's turning into the 8. It will no longer serve Rawtenstall, but will serve Burnley.
https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/images.transdevplc.co.uk/downloads/8 Web TT 5-Jan-2020_0.pdf
 
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With all of the service cuts that are coming up, I guess First WY will be reducing the size of the fleet and workforce?
 
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Andyh82 said:
Looks like the concerns about the reduction in frequency between Todmorden and Burnley have been noted as they are going to be operating extra services, meaning there is still approximately a half hourly service at peak times.

https://www.wymetro.com/plan-a-journey/travel-news/bus-travel-alerts/592-todmorden-burnley/
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Some consolation, and at least the second of the additional evening peak journeys from Burnley is at a useful time for a disabled member of my extended family to catch into Todmorden in the early evening.

Any thoughts of a clockface timetable seem to have been abandoned, a requirement to accommodate the disruption from the flood relief works in Mytholmroyd. Hopefully we might see something a little more orthodox when those finish next Spring?
 
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For what must be one of the first things printed by First West Yorkshire in almost four years (other than the generic "We're improving First for you" and the "Tech The Bus" leaflets). FWY has printed a "Moments Made Merrier" leaflet detailing fares and timetable operating days. Said leaflet can be picked up onboard most FWY buses, usually tied to a grab pole on some string (the Streetdecks on the X84 are kitted out with leaflet holders so these will be finally used).

Monday 23rd, Tuesday 24th, Friday 27th, Saturday 28th, Monday 30th and Tuesday 31st December a Saturday service will be in operation. Sunday 29th December usual Sunday levels of service.

There won't be any buses after 6pm on both Tuesday 24th and 31st December. Wednesday 25th December (Christmas Day) and Wednesday 1st January (New Years Day) sees no First buses running. Thursday 26th December, Special Boxing Day timetable in operation across West Yorkshire normal fares apply (https://www.wymetro.com/media/5368/boxing-day-timetable-2019-v3.pdf).
 
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I see Yorks fleet modernisation continues with the arrival of an 05 reg single decker from Leicester...

Have they actually done any more refurbs since that original 07 decker?
 
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I see Yorks fleet modernisation continues with the arrival of an 05 reg single decker from Leicester...

Have they actually done any more refurbs since that original 07 decker?
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I gather that there's 2 gone from Leicester, temporarily, to help out at York. They are expected to move on to Doncaster in due course.
 
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One actually is complete and arrived in York for testing, but it had not been certified yet. The end of January 2020 was mentioned although I am unsure if this is for the lot or just this one!
 
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Thank you.
We await their arrival with interest.
Presumably, as the Bendy buses are being repainted into dark blue, they are being kept in York.
 
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Halifax bus station is set for redevelopment, the new site will be built on the exisiting bus station. What gets me is that the bus station was originally going to be moved next door to Halifax railway station but it seems that this has been scraped in favour of this.

During the redevelopment work I am guessing that either temporary stops will in installed on Market Street or buses will end using stand blocks E and A apart from stand A1 which has been closed.

First Halifax "Red Arrow" services 521, 522, 523 are a handful of First services that don't serve the bus station so these wil be unaffected.

http://www.calderdalenextchapter.co.uk/news/have-your-say-plans-new-bus-station-halifax

https://www.westyorks-ca.gov.uk/pro...sport-fund/halifax-bus-station-redevelopment/
 
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I know this opinion will trigger certain posters, but leaving it where it is was a no brainer really. Level access to the shops, and right next door to the new Sixth Form College that is opening soon.
 
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So WY Metro site indicates more major road works starting in Leeds City centre on Park Row, City Sq & Infirmary Street in early spring.
anyone wanna hazard a guess/ knows of what kind of alterations are going to be imposed?
Leeds will be awful with Headrow still closed for the next 7-8 months
 
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Kieran1990 said:
So WY Metro site indicates more major road works starting in Leeds City centre on Park Row, City Sq & Infirmary Street in early spring.
anyone wanna hazard a guess/ knows of what kind of alterations are going to be imposed?
Leeds will be awful with Headrow still closed for the next 7-8 months
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Yes, Park Row is going to be one way southbound, Infirmary Street will be made two way, a new right turn from Bishopgate Street to Boar Lane will be introduced. It’s on the Connecting Leeds website.
 
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All of this is in the public domain.

They’ve not started on Corn Exchange yet or a number of the corridors or Armley Gyratory or the work on the bridge over Regent Street
 
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Andyh82 said:
Yes, Park Row is going to be one way southbound, Infirmary Street will be made two way, a new right turn from Bishopgate Street to Boar Lane will be introduced. It’s on the Connecting Leeds website.
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I'm trying to figure out how this will all work. I'm guessing aswell as the right turn from Bishopgate street, there will have to be a way to cross over from the railway station to City Square (which will presumably made two way). So the likes of the 19/19A can go straight across to infirmary street and use it west bound, then heading up king street and left onto the Headrow?

If Park Row is to be made one way southbound, where will the 42 be re routed? And also does this mean that the if the no. 10 goes back to being the number 1 after the works are finished, will it be rerouted up King Street towards Holt Park?

Apart from the 19/19A and 5 (if there is a direct crossing from train station to city square), what else will use Infirmary Street westbound? I just can't make sense of it.
 
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The main sense is stopping the disproportionate looping of the 5 and the 19, which can extend the length of services. Unfortunately it affects the 1 and the 42 in terms of presence but not stops as there are no northbound bus stops on Park Row.

42 is likely to be East Parade northbound unless they choose to split it or route down Boar Lane permanently (as per the current diversion)

1 (if it returns)/5/19/X26/X27 are the services jumping up at me using Infirmary Street westbound.

I also think that some other terminating services may swap round to use it this way including the 64. I’m also thinking the 7 series could use it as well with buses using South Parade to stop the need to return to The Headrow
 
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WY Bus Spotter said:
I'm trying to figure out how this will all work. I'm guessing aswell as the right turn from Bishopgate street, there will have to be a way to cross over from the railway station to City Square (which will presumably made two way). So the likes of the 19/19A can go straight across to infirmary street and use it west bound, then heading up king street and left onto the Headrow?

If Park Row is to be made one way southbound, where will the 42 be re routed? And also does this mean that the if the no. 10 goes back to being the number 1 after the works are finished, will it be rerouted up King Street towards Holt Park?

Apart from the 19/19A and 5 (if there is a direct crossing from rail station to city square), what else will use Infirmary Street westbound? I just can't make sense of it.
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Maybe the current crossing at the bottom on New Station Street and Bishopgate Street is closed and is relocated so that a new lane could be installed, this would mean that City Square stops P4 and P5 is either shunted back by around 50 yards or is removed completely.

I'd imagine the 10 being retained and possibly nailed on to the 62 East End Park circular to create a Beeston > City Centre > East End Park > City Centre > Beeston circular and the 62 being scrapped altogether.

Could the 42 be cut in two? So the City Centre to Butterbowl section becomes the 41 and the City Centre to Oakwood section stays as the 42? Likewise with the 19/19A, could the service be split and the Ireland Wood / Tinshill section stays as the 19 and the Garforth section becomes the 18? Either way there'll be a lot of rerouting and possibly service splits, as we've seen with the 1 and the 10.

To try and make sense of it all I've got a copy of the service 5 map below as First Leeds doesn't have a seperate Leeds City Centre map:
 

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bluenoxid said:
The main sense is stopping the disproportionate looping of the 5 and the 19, which can extend the length of services. Unfortunately it affects the 1 and the 42 in terms of presence but not stops as there are no northbound bus stops on Park Row.

42 is likely to be East Parade northbound unless they choose to split it or route down Boar Lane permanently (as per the current diversion)

1 (if it returns)/5/19/X26/X27 are the services jumping up at me using Infirmary Street westbound.

I also think that some other terminating services may swap round to use it this way including the 64. I’m also thinking the 7 series could use it as well with buses using South Parade to stop the need to return to The Headrow
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There's also the 40 (Leeds > Seacroft), unless that terminates at Leeds railway station instead of Infirmary Street (then serves Infirmary Street, East Parade, Great George Street, Merrion Street, Vicar Lane, Market Street, York Street then normal route to Seacroft?)

The 7Series network of services could terminate on Park Row, before heading along Boar Lane, Market Street, Vicar Lane then as normal route.

As for the 64, could start and terminate on Bishopgate Street at stop Z1? Before going a merry tour of Leeds city centre before heading back out towards Aberford.
 
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York buses to go green

https://www.minsterfm.com/news/local/3026232/york-buses-to-go-green/

Published by the Minster FM News Team at 10:21am 17th January 2020.

£1.6 million in funding will be used to make York’s buses cleaner and greener.
City of York Council has awarded more the money to five bus companies to help them to make their vehicles more environmentally-friendly.

Bus operators were invited to bid for Clean Air Zone (CAZ) funding to help them meet the cost of ‘retrofitting’ their vehicles with cleaner exhausts to meet the Euro VI emission standard, which sets maximum limits for certain harmful gases and particulate matter that a vehicle is allowed to emit.

A total of £1,654,000 has been allocated as follows:

  • Arriva Yorkshire: £252,000 to retrofit 14 buses.
  • First York: £1,188,000 to retrofit 66 buses.
  • Harrogate Coach Travel: £70,000 to retrofit 5 buses.
  • Reliance Motor Services: £72,000 to retrofit 4 buses and a further £54,000 towards the cost of three new Euro VI buses (total grant of £126,000).
  • Transdev: £18,000 to retrofit one bus.
A total of 93 buses will either be ‘retrofitted’ or replaced.

When the Clean Air Zone launches on 31 January, every bus operating frequent services on or within York’s inner ring road will be required to meet the Euro VI emission standard, or have a plan in place that will enable them to meet the standard within 12 months.

Once fitted with the equipment required to reduce emissions, the buses must then operate on routes serving the Clean Air Zone in York city centre for a minimum of five years.

From January 31, 2020, the only buses that will be exempt from the requirements are those that enter the Clean Air Zone fewer than five times each day and those due to be retrofitted or replaced before 31 January 2021.

Cllr Andy D’Agorne, Executive Member for Transport:

“These grant allocations mean that, as the year progresses, bus emissions will gradually decrease as new and retrofitted buses come into service.

By February 2021, all but a very small number of infrequent bus services will meet the Euro VI emission standard.

This represents a major step forwards in our drive to improve air quality in the city centre by tackling the causes of pollution, and will benefit the health and wellbeing of everyone who lives and works in York, as well as visitors to the city.

Of course, the buses operating in the Clean Air Zone will also operate throughout the city, so by declaring a city centre CAZ we will be improving air quality across York.”

Councillor Paula Widdowson, Executive Member for Climate Change:

“The launch of a fleet of 21 brand new electric Park & Ride vehicles during the coming months will also make a major contribution towards work to improve air quality in the city centre and will give York one of the largest fleets of electric buses in the country.

The new vehicles are being funded by Park & Ride operator First York, with the help of a £2.2 million Low Emission Bus Fund grant from the Government.”
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Does anybody know why some York buses are in a base livery of dark blue?
Is this a local rebranding?
Preparation for a management buyout?
Preparation for a sale?
Or just seemed a good idea to do at the time?!
Thank you
 
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